Too Soon?!? - The Challenges of Early Builds and Game Demos - Extra Credits

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  • Published on Jan 23, 2019
  • Most of the time in game development, the game isn't actually in a polished and/or playable state until very close to the release date, which is why many studios are reluctant to release early builds or demos even at major marketing events like E3. Learn about the role of the build engineer!
    Thanks to guest writer Curtis Hartung for this episode!
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Comments • 582

  • Extra Credits
    Extra Credits  8 months ago +156

    The relationship between total transparency, and wanting to make the best possible first impressions on potential players, is a complex one that can vary dramatically between studios, or even between different titles produced by the same studio. What other challenges of the development process did you find yourself seeing in a different light once you started working on your own game projects?

    • Long schlong
      Long schlong 7 months ago

      You should make more videos that target the investors directly and show them how damaging their short-sighted vision can be in the long run and how should they learn from Indie devs. Also I would like you to cover about Project Borealis and their game development streaming on TVclip and how the community can help the devs with said streaming of programming or even music making of the game

    • Jean-Philippe Doyon
      Jean-Philippe Doyon 7 months ago +1

      Man i wish a episode just on the actual situation of Blizzard and Activision and what happened in the last Blizzcon....would be interresting !

    • LordBloodySoul
      LordBloodySoul 7 months ago

      Maybe this will help people being a bit more sympathetic to devs.
      Seriously, Devs have probably the most stressful job in history o_o

    • Wiimeiser
      Wiimeiser 7 months ago

      Sea of Thieves was unfinished
      Fallout 76 was incomplete

    • Daniel Vasquez
      Daniel Vasquez 7 months ago

      Do a co-operative history with a TVclip channel called Oversimplified

  • Charles Logan
    Charles Logan 2 months ago +1

    people who were so judgemental of Avengers need to watch this.

  • ララ/運命Lara
    ララ/運命Lara 5 months ago +1

    _Demos are experimentals for a game in making. It's like a first look. XD Waiting for the moment the creators say it is finished is better._
    _That's why do NOT leak the unreleased games._

  • athena patrick
    athena patrick 5 months ago

    But how do you make as many gamers as posible aware of this without talking down to them?

  • Wils The Limit
    Wils The Limit 6 months ago

    343 industries had gained my respect, they haven’t given a specific date for MCC on pc or Infinite, they say it’ll be released when it’s ready

  • V Paul
    V Paul 6 months ago

    I don't actually mind waiting like 8 years for a game sequel to be realesed (like Persona 5). It's also way better than waiting 1 year for a new CoD or assassins creed broken messes

  • modman484
    modman484 6 months ago

    Doom eternal

  • MsLia32
    MsLia32 6 months ago

    It's strange really. We are perfectly ok buying a chair designed 20 years ago.

  • Robert Fernandez
    Robert Fernandez 6 months ago

    You thought we wouldnt notice the sonic music lol but i stayed awake for years on my gamecube playing that level and dying cuz i hated it most. That music is permanently ingrained into my memory, mocking me every time i close my eyes with images of black and yellow spiders and tubes that dont go to places i thought they would😂

  • Pancakes11
    Pancakes11 6 months ago

    2:43 I personally love seeing earlier builds of games when I can play them to see the differences between them and the final product. So yes. It is something I'd want to see.

  • Sebastian Kiliński
    Sebastian Kiliński 6 months ago

    anthem

  • LDBlokland
    LDBlokland 6 months ago +1

    5:27 bannerlord when?

  • Matt T
    Matt T 6 months ago

    I'm confused. When I look at CoD release cycle over the past couple years, I have a hard time believing they didn't just take 75% of the previous game, leave the engine untouched, and basically just re-skin models and come up with new levels.

  • C C
    C C 6 months ago

    if the Gaming Industry was decent... we would get E3 Conventions once every 5 years.

  • DinoSpear
    DinoSpear 6 months ago

    I rather wait an additional 2 years for a game and don't have it early acces. I'm so annoyed by early Access games tbh.
    But different question for example COD all of them look the same and feel the same accept for the future games (I actually enjoied more)
    Is 3 years developememt really needed? Even tho you explained it I can't see that for these games.
    Between watch dogs 1 and 2 you notice the difference and Upgrade like also in Titan Fall1 and 2 but I don't notice it in cod

  • Wahyu Setiawan
    Wahyu Setiawan 7 months ago

    I prefer waiting and get agreat game insted getting it earlier in a broken state

  • BewareTheCarpenter
    BewareTheCarpenter 7 months ago

    1:47 actually, this is very much like books.

  • Noël Li
    Noël Li 7 months ago

    Sequelitis reference is awesome.

  • Bryan Stephens
    Bryan Stephens 7 months ago

    This is all so true!

  • OmnissiahZelos
    OmnissiahZelos 7 months ago

    going from nasa to videogames? What a downgrade.

    • Curtis Hartung
      Curtis Hartung 7 months ago

      I get that both ways believe it or not. Truth is the day-to-day at NASA is not more (or less) prestigious than the day to day at a game company. To me it's all about having interesting problems to solve, which is the core of what I love.

  • SixthSurge
    SixthSurge 7 months ago

    An example of this is how an early version of Terraria was leaked to the public a few months before it was due the launch, containing placeholder graphics from other games and many glitches. This ruined a lot of potential player's opinions on the game and forced Re-Logic to release it early, in an unfinished state.

  • SkyVioletShadow
    SkyVioletShadow 7 months ago

    hmm
    Looks like the chanel became for players - not developers anymore.

  • Si-Wo
    Si-Wo 7 months ago

    more ZOE!
    oh and i want the full sonic song from the end :-D

  • ST-1170
    ST-1170 7 months ago

    I played Subnautica Early Access like Danny2462: actively trying to break it so that others can experience a better game.
    I really hope that I can eventually get into Early Access programs so I can do this with more games

  • Samuel More
    Samuel More 7 months ago

    Mount and blade Bannerlord

  • Schoening91
    Schoening91 7 months ago

    This goes the other way too. I'm working in web development and some snarky game dev told me about how unessesary certain things are (avoidance of global mutable state in this case), not being able to understand that the projects I'm working on will need to work and be updated over 10+ of years and half the team might have been swapped out by that time. Game development is hard but has the luxury of allowing rewrites you get fired for in other industries. Your favourite service can't just tell you "sorry u won't be able to use this the next 6 months, but please keep paying!"

  • RoxasChikara
    RoxasChikara 7 months ago

    5:00
    Engine huh?


    Looks at Bethesda

  • Pat Downs
    Pat Downs 7 months ago

    Lies. The games were finished a long time ago, but we can't play them because the devs are on vacation in the Caribbean and can't be disturbed.

  • Justin Smith
    Justin Smith 7 months ago

    i want to pet the unfinished puddle game! :D

  • Kushiro Carjis
    Kushiro Carjis 7 months ago

    Half Life 3

  • The Addict Of Gaming
    The Addict Of Gaming 7 months ago

    I really don't care... I play so many older games because they are so much cheaper. They will always exist later. Just chill

  • The Traveler
    The Traveler 7 months ago

    Take a look at EA's GIF chart for "ways to play Anthem". Hoo boy...

  • DunantheDefender
    DunantheDefender 7 months ago

    Oh my god, Melty Game is my new favorite Game.

  • Anthony Norman
    Anthony Norman 7 months ago

    ...so yearly released games aren't mostly done when they start on them?

  • lucidity
    lucidity 7 months ago +1

    4:38 Unless you are Bethesda...
    fallout 76 still has problems the modding community fixed for fallout 4!

  • AztechCamera
    AztechCamera 7 months ago

    When a video like this has to be made to justify the work that goes into making games and why baby can't have yet, just how entitled is too entitled?

  • Lance Trahan, Duck Block Games

    Great video! We've taken the "vertical slice" approach mentioned at 2:06 with our development of Forsaken Castle since day one using the intro area of the game as the staging ground and are close to getting things to the level of polish we're looking for to call it "complete". From there, we are creating additional skills/abilities and sections of the castle as we expand from that baseline of functionality.
    Our development team may only consist of my brother and I, but we're dedicated to making a game we can be proud of and have long enjoyed watching Extra Credits as a source of knowledge and guidance for good design. Keep up the great work Extra Credits team!
    EDIT: Extra thanks to Matt (and Zoey) for quite successfully picking up the reigns after Dan's departure from EC. Looking forward to many more videos in the future!

  • נדב נסים
    נדב נסים 7 months ago

    If you haven’t check out Stanley parable demo, you definitely should. It’s an excellent example of a demo done right

  • PriCap
    PriCap 7 months ago

    When you want to play metro exodus but don't want to pre-order and then there are no longer available on stream.
    Exclusive KEK

  • Miguel Mf
    Miguel Mf 7 months ago

    Is this video about hytale? xD

  • Giblix Studio
    Giblix Studio 7 months ago

    so in short....
    Don't start promoting your game unless you actually have something. You can build hype months before a release instead of years.
    People not being able to wait... Well the marketing isn't really helping now is it? People are actively being trained (sub)consciously.
    I have no problem waiting 1 or 2 years after a game released. Waiting for those much needed bug fixes, expansion packs and then buy the actually complete functioning experience. As it should be.

  • dragonhold4
    dragonhold4 7 months ago

    Anthem as-is is incomplete.

  • Ag silver Radio
    Ag silver Radio 7 months ago

    What about demos for bata testing, and player feedback?

  • Harryacorn2
    Harryacorn2 7 months ago

    Shoutout to nintendo for just telling us that they’re making Metroid Prime 4 from scratch because they weren’t happy with what they were making

  • Cassie Stephenson
    Cassie Stephenson 7 months ago

    I don't buy incomplete games. Nobody should. Let the developers finish!!!!!

  • CodeAsm
    CodeAsm 7 months ago

    Ow man, I love my devkits and tons of unfinished games. I love diving into the commandshell and trying stuff. To me, the game is discovering the tricks, the awesome bugs and tools the devs used. finding unused assets or 3d models that are broken. I rather buy an expensive pre alpha game than the finished product.
    Im a gamedev researcher, reverse engineer and i love it. probably a nerd. we have girlriends too :D ow, and a load of games still to finish... deadlines too.

  • FalconFetus8
    FalconFetus8 7 months ago

    Sounds like the game industry needs to be introduced to continuous integration.

  • Golden Gamer
    Golden Gamer 7 months ago +1

    When your game gets thanos snapped :(

  • The Wanderer
    The Wanderer 7 months ago

    What're your thouggts on Anthem. EC?

  • bl0km0k
    bl0km0k 7 months ago

    First line in the video
    “No one likes to wacht”
    TVclip freezes

  • Dep. ZHEDU
    Dep. ZHEDU 7 months ago

    And you have Paradox studio. They release unfinished games, but they continued to work again and again for polish what they did before and add some unfinished features with DLC. Again and again. We never have a perfect game but we know and feel the game improve. And for the sequel, they use a big part of their code.
    NoManSky is almost in the same situation, unfinshed but they patch it.
    On an other hand, you have Bannerlord, take toooooo much time for be release.
    And we know some studios, they will release a broked game and they will never really fix it.
    For conclude : Guy, no preorder. Never.
    Conclude 2 : If you are really hype for a game, but the review are bad, dont buy. It is painfull, but we must do it.

  • Booksds
    Booksds 7 months ago

    Although the situation’s not exactly the same, I feel that the timing of this video makes a good fit with the recent Metroid Prime 4 development update. It’s good to remember as a player that game development is tough, and some transparency from the devs/publishers should be appreciated.

  • Mikosch2
    Mikosch2 7 months ago

    We all want access to entertainment as soon as possible? Ehm.. no? Doesn't anyone have any patience anymore these days? And waiting and looking forward for something can be exciting in a very positive way. Unless its a video game of course I don't even bother looking at new releases any more. Only crap coming out these days.

  • William Sledge
    William Sledge 7 months ago

    1:28 nice parade of that quote. I am pretty sure you mentioned that quote in the Bismarck serious

  • Nate Nicholson
    Nate Nicholson 7 months ago +1

    This is perfectly timed with the Anthem Demo lmao

  • Suzaku
    Suzaku 7 months ago

    This is exactly what I always thought before reading more about game design and seeing videos like these. Just wish more gamers understood and had more open minds when it comes to development.
    The E3 part is also why I suspect Sony skipping for 2019. They want to give the developers all the time they need to *focus* on making the games rather than take unnecessary time to create a new trailer or vertical slice to show off.

  • MrDB5star
    MrDB5star 7 months ago

    3:26 Sonic 06 anyone?

  • Hall 102
    Hall 102 7 months ago

    gd world be like

  • Yorange Orange
    Yorange Orange 7 months ago +1

    Mother 4 (fangame) metroid 4 pikman 4..

  • Redcloud 1
    Redcloud 1 7 months ago

    While I was watching this Video I thought... The Rainbow Six SIege Trailer. because its SOOO Different then the game They Really Scratched that one together ;D