[REAL ATC] American B738 forced to land WITHOUT FLAPS AT JFK!

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Comments • 562

  • VASAviation -
    VASAviation -  Year ago +223

    Be advised this video was edited on 04/JAN/2018 with the old style radar simulation. At the present time, I'm editing videos with the real STARS Tracon format. Thanks!

    • Melvin W
      Melvin W 4 months ago +1

      VASAviation - typo at 7:05

    • Monk Petite
      Monk Petite 7 months ago

      VASAviation - I’m really impressed by the efforts you present us..
      and I’m kind of interested how you do this.. but if it’s a trademark please keep it secret;-)

    • Jeffry Johnston
      Jeffry Johnston 9 months ago

      Transcription could use some work on this one. About half the sentences have errors.

    • JustAnotherGuy
      JustAnotherGuy Year ago +2

      elitemarksman89 I think we all got the point regardless of the verbage.

  • jackavsfan921
    jackavsfan921 Day ago +1

    *gives fuel in pounds*
    "Can I get that in hours please?"
    *gives fuel in hours*
    "Can I get that in pounds please?"

  • GumbyParity Mick
    GumbyParity Mick 2 days ago

    No I don’t want Clamato

  • OmniUltima
    OmniUltima 5 days ago +1

    Just another pilot who loves his job. Lol

  • Vslsnks
    Vslsnks 25 days ago


  • Chris Hipser
    Chris Hipser 26 days ago

    subtitles are completely wrong at points

  • dukeoversteer
    dukeoversteer Month ago

    Has anyone said BARF instead of ARFF?

  • dave
    dave Month ago

    I have never been in the cockpit, but I would say that pilot has been doing this a while.

  • William Potter
    William Potter Month ago

    No flap landings are not a big deal. We practice them all our life. They just take a slightly different technique and a longer runway. If you have the required runway, it is a complete non-event ...

    • VASAviation -
      VASAviation -  Month ago

      If the world had a runway all over the surface, I could land with no engines anywhere.

  • dnb0918
    dnb0918 Month ago

    I am just amazed at how calm the pilot is!

  • Chris Garret
    Chris Garret 2 months ago

    that's a seasoned pilot right there

  • Rashad Moore
    Rashad Moore 2 months ago

    This is the best one yet, the crew really kept it funny although they were have issues with the aircraft

  • Michael Sangiovanni
    Michael Sangiovanni 2 months ago

    The pilot must be Kennedy Steve's brother

    JETSAM AVIATION 2 months ago +1

    I saw a RYANAIR BOEING 737-800 fly over a few hours ago.

    HERBSMAN441 2 months ago

    Oh wow, that was my plane. We usually here about these mishaps. Unsurprising really, AA flies dodgy 37-8s here all the time. Have one grounded here every other month!

  • jr132
    jr132 2 months ago

    Ha this pilot is funny. I had an American 737 pilot that introduced himself as a WWE wrestler just a few days after this incident maybe it was him.

  • Jamie Lancaster
    Jamie Lancaster 2 months ago

    Never let them see you sweat! Great job.

  • Errador
    Errador 2 months ago

    Seems like a high stress job to be but I think it's so cool what ATC does. Much respect

  • Bobby Paluga
    Bobby Paluga 2 months ago

    Does 31L have any arresting devices, netting, or crushed gravel?

  • dpetngl
    dpetngl 2 months ago

    Love the accent on PAPA

  • Gomes Gomes
    Gomes Gomes 2 months ago

    A B 738 lol

  • chuckschilling
    chuckschilling 2 months ago +1

    Ice water in zee veins! Big brass ones on both sides of the communication stream.

  • Carlo De Stefano
    Carlo De Stefano 2 months ago

    5:50 - Love the stress humor, heheh.

  • See The World 365
    See The World 365 2 months ago

    The pilot is so chill he must be doing this on a daily basis...

  • Christine Still
    Christine Still 2 months ago

    Graphics terrible on I-pad. Too small to find AAL1609.

  • bullatthegate
    bullatthegate 2 months ago +5

    Ahh these “@&*# ads !!!!
    I will never buy from any of them !

  • Craig Lumpy Lemke
    Craig Lumpy Lemke 3 months ago +4

    "...long approach withOUT a lot of interruptions". Translated - "Give us a vector then STFU". LOL. Thanks - Lumpy

    • Kaleb Crawford
      Kaleb Crawford 3 months ago +1

      I mean can you blame him? You're about to try to slow a 737 at an excess of 180 knots, without much of anything to slow it does with. I'd like to concentrate 😂

  • Craig Lumpy Lemke
    Craig Lumpy Lemke 3 months ago

    Best pilot side comms I've ever heard. Thanks - Lumpy

  • lly g
    lly g 3 months ago

    What do the flaps do?

    • Ben Solon
      Ben Solon 3 months ago

      They reduce the stall speed of the aircraft by increasing both lift and drag. Stall speed of a 737 in a landing configuration is aroumd 138 knots. With flaps up the 737 above would have stalled if it slowed down lower then the 180knots speed that it landed at.

  • Mike Becket
    Mike Becket 3 months ago

    So no flaps just come in a tad slower and lower...duh

  • Mike Patton
    Mike Patton 3 months ago

    I want that guy flying any plane I’m on.

  • Mike Ownby
    Mike Ownby 3 months ago

    Your subtitles as always do not reflect what's actually being said in some instances. "flight attendants a few minutes to set everything back there" is "flight attendants a few minutes to tidy everything up back there". You seriously need to do a better job at LISTENING to what's ACTUALLY being said. In this case it's almost frivolous, but so many of your videos offer subtitles that completely change the meaning of what's being said. Please do better.

  • Diego Lebron
    Diego Lebron 3 months ago

    All of your titles sound like click-bait, but their not 😱

  • Phil Montejano
    Phil Montejano 4 months ago

    Concorde used to come in faster

  • Phil Montejano
    Phil Montejano 4 months ago

    Practiced in the sim.no big deal
    737 is easy to fly

    • VASAviation -
      VASAviation -  4 months ago +2

      Sure it is, you Flight Simmer! Try the real one.

  • Ricky Luong
    Ricky Luong 4 months ago

    love your videos! as long as their reverse thrust works, she'll be right. ATC "We'll be watching", AAL1609 "so will I" 😂

  • all the boost
    all the boost 4 months ago

    That's crazy that they landed at 180 knots V1 with full flaps is like 70 80 knots right?

  • 00Billy
    00Billy 4 months ago

    I want that guy flying my next commercial flight.

  • Melvin W
    Melvin W 4 months ago +1

    7:05 ATC said circling for now Not checking.

  • Lazar Djurovic
    Lazar Djurovic 5 months ago

    Can someone explain me what is Sprky, Kilo and all this names that they are using? Coordinates, vectors?

    • VASAviation -
      VASAviation -  5 months ago +3

      They are called waypoints or fixes and they are places determined by coordinates that help pilots navigate in the sky.

  • Ethan O'Connell
    Ethan O'Connell 5 months ago

    What the hell is a Boeing 738?

    • VASAviation -
      VASAviation -  3 months ago

      Nobody :( @James Terrell

    • James Terrell
      James Terrell 3 months ago

      @VASAviation - This question has been asked and answered at least 10 times that I noticed. Doesn't anyone read the previous comments???

    • VASAviation -
      VASAviation -  5 months ago

      Boeing B737-800.

  • BreakingSoBe
    BreakingSoBe 6 months ago

    Wtf is a Boeing 738? Jesus get your aircraft nomenclature right

    • RBAZ
      RBAZ 5 months ago +1

      Your nonexistent A&P certificate ain't going to help you out of this one.

    • R Diaz
      R Diaz 6 months ago +1

      Okay, we have to teach _you_ now, too. Great. Arright, take a seat...this is Air Traffic Control shorthand: B738 means Boeing 737-800, B735 means 737-500, B748 means 747-8i, B752 means 757-200, C172 means Cessna 172. See how dat work? This system was established by the ICAO and they assign every new aircraft type its own ID number. Class dismissed!

    • VASAviation -
      VASAviation -  6 months ago

      B738 is the code for Boeing B737-800. Did you know the Boeing 737 had different variants? -400, -500, -600... Of course you didn't, ignorant! But you preferred to laugh at me opening your mouth with a topic you have no idea of!

    • Boglin
      Boglin 6 months ago

      B738 is the ICAO code for Boeing 737-800. Title and thumbnail are both correct.

    • BreakingSoBe
      BreakingSoBe 6 months ago

      So title says B738 but thumbnail is 737.... and I’m ignorant? Hahahaha. My A&P cert says otherwise

  • skyhook photography
    skyhook photography 6 months ago

    Mind ur flaps

  • Henning K
    Henning K 6 months ago +4

    The Lufthansa 400 Super pilot is the same as the one redirected to Philadelphia in another video on this channel.

  • Dragon_ride_r
    Dragon_ride_r 6 months ago

    90 mins of fuel maybe should have been reduced down. This would have reduced the required speed at touchdown, used less runway and reduced the risk of the brakes catching fire.

  • Matt G
    Matt G 6 months ago +2

    AAL1609: "We have, uh, 8,300 pounds of fuel on board and total souls of 144, if you're, uh, curious."
    JFK APP: "American 1609, thank you, sir, I was just about to ask you that."
    Yeah, suuuure you were!

  • Minnesota Smith
    Minnesota Smith 6 months ago

    One cool pilot..good job all

  • Josh Dunstan
    Josh Dunstan 7 months ago +1

    this pilot has a mad funny sense of humour XD

  • 3Authoress
    3Authoress 7 months ago

    That pilot has a good sense of humor in such a tense situation. Bless his heart.

  • Nose Picking Puddle Jumping Window Licker

    As an aircraft tech going on over 15 years I can tell you all the pilots trouble shooting was atrocious. He took way to long to realize the emergency and took way too long going through his trouble shooting book for a simple flap malfunction.

  • TonyTube407
    TonyTube407 8 months ago

    Spoiler alert at the start of your video. No point in watching now. LOL

  • socalsilver
    socalsilver 8 months ago

    Good stuff

  • Leifur Hákonarson
    Leifur Hákonarson 8 months ago

    Without knowing the scale it's obviously difficult to tell - but at around 2:25 that Shamrock 105 is at the same altitude (give or take a 100 feet), on an opposite heading and pretty close. I don't understand why the original controller didn't just turn him right 90° instead of letting him cross the final ....

  • kaleb castleman
    kaleb castleman 8 months ago


  • M Dac
    M Dac 8 months ago +2

    14.5K? Not even an emergency.

    • R Diaz
      R Diaz 6 months ago

      Try just over 11,000 feet due to displaced threshold. 14.5K is for takeoffs.

  • Michael Taylors
    Michael Taylors 8 months ago

    Pilot was sharp . I’m not a pilot

  • Bernard Roman
    Bernard Roman 8 months ago

    Love how nice and collective the pilot of 1609

  • Clay Taylor
    Clay Taylor 8 months ago

    He sounds almost happy, like a kid whose been given his first car and wants to go “fast”

  • gk10002000
    gk10002000 8 months ago

    He may not necessarily have hot brakes. He could have done a degraded braking landing and just had longer rollout.

  • gk10002000
    gk10002000 8 months ago

    the pilot so no leading or trailing edge control, so the title of the video should say no flaps or slats (leading edge)

  • Shaofu Chang
    Shaofu Chang 8 months ago

    I take it they are calling the pumper in cause the brakes overheat? Landing with flaps isn't terribly complicated but the plane will have a LOT of energy to get rid of. long enough runway and it should glide in , otherwise quite a bit of energy would be going into the brakes.

  • Magestic
    Magestic 8 months ago

    The absolute calm & professionalism of the pilot is incredible. ATC did an outstanding job as well. Thank you for this, makes me feel even safer flying than I already did (and that was pretty safe to begin with). It would be an absolute dream of a lifetime to be able to sit in the cockpit for an entire flight OMG! I could literally die then as my life would be complete! 😇

  • Dubious
    Dubious 8 months ago

    So boring when everything goes as planned..

    • Janet Miller
      Janet Miller Month ago

      Yes. I love it that way when I'm a passenger.

  • Durtee Diaperz
    Durtee Diaperz 9 months ago

    I kept my fingers crossed to hear Kennedy Steve. My priorities are terrible.

  • - Aaronbatics -
    - Aaronbatics - 9 months ago

    This is why it is so important to bring extra fuel, if they didn’t have 1:30 left things would be a lot more hectic.

    • R Diaz
      R Diaz 6 months ago

      Generally, they load one of two ways: they load up with enough fuel plus extra to make it and cram the rest of the available payload weight with passengers & their stuff. Or, they fill that baby up and take up the rest of the payload with passengers & gear, leaving several empty seats. I was on an A320 from PHX to ORD, there wasn't a single open seat on the plane and we were HEAVY...we got off the ground and struggled a bit getting up, but we made it. The compromise between fuel weight and passenger weight is always slanted towards making profit without scrimping safety.

  • Religious Commentor
    Religious Commentor 9 months ago

    God bless those guys! I did not know that passengers are called souls. Hmmmmmmmm

  • Grant Carter-Brown
    Grant Carter-Brown 9 months ago

    It's great to hear the pilot using humor in placed to diffuse tension.. any emergency is a very tense situation, by helping to diffuse the tension he is helping by reducing the classic "human factor" problems

  • KirkyandKa Sunways
    KirkyandKa Sunways 9 months ago

    I was expecting something a little more interesting like some footage of the plane landing. Anyhow good to see they made it down OK. All sounded very professional.

  • Osmone Everony
    Osmone Everony 9 months ago

    Isn't there any video footage where we can actually SEE that landing for real?

  • Bjarne Nilsson
    Bjarne Nilsson 9 months ago

    Nice video as allways, thsnk you. aome question tho, why do ground vihekles allways wave so nosy audio, bad radios, bad mics or some other reasob? Woops that sounded like a complaint, it was not intended to but my knolage about airport opperations is severly limited (my fault) so I just found it a bit strange as I would thing evrything resnable would be downe to reduce unesecery strain for the controllers that en up talking a decent amount to ground viheckes

  • Mark Holmes
    Mark Holmes 9 months ago

    I thought Lufthansa 400 couldn't land at JFK last time lol. Something about being too heavy for runway 22 while it was wet.

  • Mark of Excellence
    Mark of Excellence 9 months ago +1

    What an AWESOME set of pilots!

  • Brian D.
    Brian D. 9 months ago +9

    It's reassuring to know that we have such well-trained individuals in charge of our safety in such a potentially dangerous situation (in most cases). The pilot not only stayed cool and clam, but also kept his sense of humor. . .

  • Giodanni Victor
    Giodanni Victor 9 months ago

    I will be watching... So will I !!!
    Man pilot's and ATC job at it's finest !!!

  • Dev B
    Dev B 9 months ago +1

    Spectacular poise and professionalism

  • Daniel Haslam
    Daniel Haslam 9 months ago

    7:29 - 7:42 With the callsign incident, had those 13 seconds of miscommunication happened in a much more dire point in time the impacts could have been quite serious to say the least. Callsign tracking should be nearer the centerpoint of innovation to prevent such things from happening again.

  • Scott Brownlie
    Scott Brownlie 9 months ago

    How many different people does the pilot have to talk to when landing somewhere ?
    Approach, Final, Tower, Ground, Ramp ???

    • TheNewTimeNetwork
      TheNewTimeNetwork 7 months ago

      Yeah roughly like that. You come in from another sector to the Approach, get handed off to Tower for landing. Eventually you contact Ground for taxiing (on some airports, select taxiways like those between runways are controlled by Tower for simplicity) and ofter there is an extra Ramp controller for the apron. When you go around, you are sometimes handed off to Departure.
      However it all depends on the location.
      Look at the frequencies of EHAM (Amsterdam Shipol) for instance. They have different Approach sectors and multiple Towers handling different runways. On a typical route an a/c will of course only talk to one of each. They also have around 3-5 or so Ground controllers for different parts of the airport (north, west, south, central, ...), but no extra Ramp controllers (Ground handles the apron). So when you have a long taxi, you sometimes have to go through multiple Ground controllers.

  • Choff C
    Choff C 9 months ago +1

    That is called EXECUTION

  • welshpete12
    welshpete12 9 months ago

    A remarkable recording , and the crew so clam and collected ! I just worked out the fuel burn . If that plane was a 4 engine aircraft which I think it was , It works out at 19 lbs of fuel per engine per minute !

  • KHop_YT
    KHop_YT 10 months ago

    Hmm B738?? New plane? Nah, I know it was a spelling mistake

    • R Diaz
      R Diaz 6 months ago +1

      738 is ATC shorthand for 737-800. 732 is 737-200, 753 is 757-300, 744 is 747-400 and so on.

  • Original Name
    Original Name 10 months ago

    0:25 #saynotokilo

  • Gage
    Gage 10 months ago +1

    Must have been a flap asymmetry issue because they have an electric alternate flaps motor they could have used. But they wouldn't use the alternate system if they had a warning of flap/slat asymmetry. Seems like a relatively rare event.

  • Dheeraj Lalwani
    Dheeraj Lalwani 10 months ago

    Love the pilot’s attitude and professionalism here

  • Tyler Williamson
    Tyler Williamson 10 months ago +30

    We've got clearance, Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's your vector, Victor?

    • Halcyon Outlander
      Halcyon Outlander 2 months ago +1

      Ever seen a gown man naked!

    • Ellenor Malik
      Ellenor Malik 7 months ago

      So unrealistic.

    • Brian Arbenz
      Brian Arbenz 8 months ago +1

      @Simon Brunner Municipal bonds, Simon! The safest investment in America!

    • Simon Brunner
      Simon Brunner 8 months ago +2

      Enough with the Airplane! comments already. That was an entirely different kind of emergency, altogether!

    • Tyler Williamson
      Tyler Williamson 9 months ago +4

      Obviously doesnt speak Jive

  • magellanmax
    magellanmax 10 months ago

    No video of that landing?

  • Anvilshock
    Anvilshock 10 months ago

    5:12 - "Wheewheewhee, I want my fuel in pounds" - Ass-backwards tosser.

    • R Diaz
      R Diaz 6 months ago

      Pounds is easily translated to gallons, whereas flight time is not. Weight is an absolute measure of fuel.

  • PutinKills
    PutinKills 10 months ago +1

    I never use flaps when I play flight simulator, no problem

    • R Diaz
      R Diaz 6 months ago +1

      And you don't fly real aircraft for a living, hauling real people. And for this, I truly rejoice.

  • Lynne R
    Lynne R 10 months ago

    I'm wondering if this is the runway I landed on one day in 1987. We were supposed to land at LaGuardia but had landing gear problems that started at takeoff. The gear wouldn't retract. When it finally did, I wondered if it would come back out for landing. It didn't at first. The pilot told us we were being diverted to JFK because we needed an extra long runway to stop the plane. Everyone was freaking out. Sure enough, it took the whole runway to stop the plane. There was smell of burning inside the plane. All kinds of emergency vehicles were there. Everyone cheered, cried and clapped when the plane finally stopped.

    • Janet Miller
      Janet Miller Month ago

      Memorable indeed. Thanks for sharing.

  • Philscbx
    Philscbx 10 months ago

    I'll bet, Actually flying it to the ground, vs flaps,, no one felt the gear touch.

  • Michael hi
    Michael hi 10 months ago +5

    "We'll be the fastest Boeing 737 landing you've seen in a long time" Lol atleast the captain still has a sense of humor despite the situation theyre in

  • Dusty Rusty
    Dusty Rusty 10 months ago

    That first officer must have ice water running through him to remain as calm and collected as he was. Also, his sense of humor was terrific. Kudo's to the flight crew and ATC personnel.

  • LA2047
    LA2047 10 months ago +21

    Holy crap how do those ATCs keep track of all that movement. A whole new respect, now that I've seen all the moving parts.

    • Vin Man
      Vin Man Month ago

      Whenever it gets that complex there is are systems in place , we outsiders just dont know it .But yes it must still be one hell of a job.

    • Halcyon Outlander
      Halcyon Outlander 2 months ago +2

      Check out flightradar24.com
      Zoom out, it will blow you mind.

    • newname
      newname 3 months ago +2


  • F Huber
    F Huber 10 months ago +1

    Probably wore out a set of tires....
    Which is just fine.

  • Kobe Wild
    Kobe Wild 10 months ago +1

    speed 190k so a space shuttle landing.

    • R Diaz
      R Diaz 6 months ago

      But they have power and can go-around, if needed. Big advantage.

  • daniel scanlan
    daniel scanlan 10 months ago

    You came this far now GTFO the runway!

  • budgiebreder
    budgiebreder 10 months ago

    The pilot seems like a jokester even in a bad situation. 5:33 - tone is kinda “o crap - this sucks, but heres your info”

  • Greasy nPoor
    Greasy nPoor 10 months ago


  • Conor Mc Kernan
    Conor Mc Kernan 10 months ago +3

    "This will be the fastest '737' landing ever." ATC: "We'll be watching" Pilot: "So will I" LOL Great sense of humour lol

  • Gildo Boknoy Lee Destreza Jr

    Are they landing with an ILS?

    • VASAviation -
      VASAviation -  10 months ago +4

      In this kind of situations it is preferrable to handfly the aircraft and feel it. That way you know how the aircraft is behaving on that "flap up" situation.

  • Sabrina Baran
    Sabrina Baran 10 months ago +23

    The pilot was so calm. This is the fastest landing you've seen in awhile! And the controller like I'll be watching the pilot "Me too!"