[REAL ATC] American B738 forced to land WITHOUT FLAPS AT JFK!


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  • VASAviation -
    VASAviation -  11 months ago +202

    Be advised this video was edited on 04/JAN/2018 with the old style radar simulation. At the present time, I'm editing videos with the real STARS Tracon format. Thanks!

    • Melvin Williamson
      Melvin Williamson Month ago +1

      VASAviation - typo at 7:05

    • Monk Petite
      Monk Petite 3 months ago

      VASAviation - I’m really impressed by the efforts you present us..
      and I’m kind of interested how you do this.. but if it’s a trademark please keep it secret;-)

    • Jeffry Johnston
      Jeffry Johnston 6 months ago

      Transcription could use some work on this one. About half the sentences have errors.

    • JustAnotherGuy
      JustAnotherGuy 11 months ago +2

      elitemarksman89 I think we all got the point regardless of the verbage.

  • Phil Montejano
    Phil Montejano 10 days ago

    Concorde used to come in faster

  • Phil Montejano
    Phil Montejano 10 days ago

    Practiced in the sim.no big deal
    737 is easy to fly

    • VASAviation -
      VASAviation -  10 days ago

      Sure it is, you Flight Simmer! Try the real one.

  • Ricky Luong
    Ricky Luong 14 days ago

    love your videos! as long as their reverse thrust works, she'll be right. ATC "We'll be watching", AAL1609 "so will I" 😂

  • all the boost
    all the boost 18 days ago

    That's crazy that they landed at 180 knots V1 with full flaps is like 70 80 knots right?

  • 00Billy
    00Billy Month ago

    I want that guy flying my next commercial flight.

  • Melvin Williamson
    Melvin Williamson Month ago

    7:05 ATC said circling for now Not checking.

  • Lazar Djurovic
    Lazar Djurovic Month ago

    Can someone explain me what is Sprky, Kilo and all this names that they are using? Coordinates, vectors?

    • VASAviation -
      VASAviation -  Month ago +2

      They are called waypoints or fixes and they are places determined by coordinates that help pilots navigate in the sky.

  • Ethan O'Connell
    Ethan O'Connell Month ago

    What the hell is a Boeing 738?

  • BreakingSoBe
    BreakingSoBe 2 months ago

    Wtf is a Boeing 738? Jesus get your aircraft nomenclature right

    • RBAZ
      RBAZ Month ago

      Your nonexistent A&P certificate ain't going to help you out of this one.

    • R Diaz
      R Diaz 2 months ago

      Okay, we have to teach _you_ now, too. Great. Arright, take a seat...this is Air Traffic Control shorthand: B738 means Boeing 737-800, B735 means 737-500, B748 means 747-8i, B752 means 757-200, C172 means Cessna 172. See how dat work? This system was established by the ICAO and they assign every new aircraft type its own ID number. Class dismissed!

    • VASAviation -
      VASAviation -  2 months ago

      B738 is the code for Boeing B737-800. Did you know the Boeing 737 had different variants? -400, -500, -600... Of course you didn't, ignorant! But you preferred to laugh at me opening your mouth with a topic you have no idea of!

    • Boglin
      Boglin 2 months ago

      B738 is the ICAO code for Boeing 737-800. Title and thumbnail are both correct.

    • BreakingSoBe
      BreakingSoBe 2 months ago

      So title says B738 but thumbnail is 737.... and I’m ignorant? Hahahaha. My A&P cert says otherwise

  • skyhook photography
    skyhook photography 2 months ago

    Mind ur flaps

  • Henning K
    Henning K 2 months ago

    The Lufthansa 400 Super pilot is the same as the one redirected to Philadelphia in another video on this channel.

  • Dragon_ride_r
    Dragon_ride_r 2 months ago

    90 mins of fuel maybe should have been reduced down. This would have reduced the required speed at touchdown, used less runway and reduced the risk of the brakes catching fire.

  • Matt G
    Matt G 2 months ago

    AAL1609: "We have, uh, 8,300 pounds of fuel on board and total souls of 144, if you're, uh, curious."
    JFK APP: "American 1609, thank you, sir, I was just about to ask you that."
    Yeah, suuuure you were!

  • Minnesota Smith
    Minnesota Smith 3 months ago

    One cool pilot..good job all

  • Josh Dunstan
    Josh Dunstan 3 months ago +1

    this pilot has a mad funny sense of humour XD

  • 3Authoress
    3Authoress 3 months ago

    That pilot has a good sense of humor in such a tense situation. Bless his heart.

  • Nose Picking Puddle Jumping Window Licker

    As an aircraft tech going on over 15 years I can tell you all the pilots trouble shooting was atrocious. He took way to long to realize the emergency and took way too long going through his trouble shooting book for a simple flap malfunction.

  • TonyTube407
    TonyTube407 4 months ago

    Spoiler alert at the start of your video. No point in watching now. LOL

  • socalsilver
    socalsilver 4 months ago

    Good stuff

  • Leifur Hákonarson
    Leifur Hákonarson 4 months ago

    Without knowing the scale it's obviously difficult to tell - but at around 2:25 that Shamrock 105 is at the same altitude (give or take a 100 feet), on an opposite heading and pretty close. I don't understand why the original controller didn't just turn him right 90° instead of letting him cross the final ....

  • M Dac
    M Dac 4 months ago +2

    14.5K? Not even an emergency.

    • R Diaz
      R Diaz 2 months ago

      Try just over 11,000 feet due to displaced threshold. 14.5K is for takeoffs.

  • Michael Taylors
    Michael Taylors 4 months ago

    Pilot was sharp . I’m not a pilot

  • Bernard Roman
    Bernard Roman 4 months ago

    Love how nice and collective the pilot of 1609

  • Clay Taylor
    Clay Taylor 4 months ago

    He sounds almost happy, like a kid whose been given his first car and wants to go “fast”

  • gk10002000
    gk10002000 4 months ago

    He may not necessarily have hot brakes. He could have done a degraded braking landing and just had longer rollout.

  • gk10002000
    gk10002000 4 months ago

    the pilot so no leading or trailing edge control, so the title of the video should say no flaps or slats (leading edge)

  • Shaofu Chang
    Shaofu Chang 4 months ago

    I take it they are calling the pumper in cause the brakes overheat? Landing with flaps isn't terribly complicated but the plane will have a LOT of energy to get rid of. long enough runway and it should glide in , otherwise quite a bit of energy would be going into the brakes.

  • Magestic
    Magestic 4 months ago

    The absolute calm & professionalism of the pilot is incredible. ATC did an outstanding job as well. Thank you for this, makes me feel even safer flying than I already did (and that was pretty safe to begin with). It would be an absolute dream of a lifetime to be able to sit in the cockpit for an entire flight OMG! I could literally die then as my life would be complete! 😇

  • Dubious
    Dubious 5 months ago

    So boring when everything goes as planned..

  • Durtee Diaperz
    Durtee Diaperz 5 months ago

    I kept my fingers crossed to hear Kennedy Steve. My priorities are terrible.

  • Aarow Thomas
    Aarow Thomas 5 months ago

    This is why it is so important to bring extra fuel, if they didn’t have 1:30 left things would be a lot more hectic.

    • R Diaz
      R Diaz 2 months ago

      Generally, they load one of two ways: they load up with enough fuel plus extra to make it and cram the rest of the available payload weight with passengers & their stuff. Or, they fill that baby up and take up the rest of the payload with passengers & gear, leaving several empty seats. I was on an A320 from PHX to ORD, there wasn't a single open seat on the plane and we were HEAVY...we got off the ground and struggled a bit getting up, but we made it. The compromise between fuel weight and passenger weight is always slanted towards making profit without scrimping safety.

  • Religious Commentor
    Religious Commentor 5 months ago

    God bless those guys! I did not know that passengers are called souls. Hmmmmmmmm

  • Grant Carter-Brown
    Grant Carter-Brown 5 months ago

    It's great to hear the pilot using humor in placed to diffuse tension.. any emergency is a very tense situation, by helping to diffuse the tension he is helping by reducing the classic "human factor" problems

  • KirkyandKa Sunways
    KirkyandKa Sunways 5 months ago

    I was expecting something a little more interesting like some footage of the plane landing. Anyhow good to see they made it down OK. All sounded very professional.

  • Osmone Everony
    Osmone Everony 5 months ago

    Isn't there any video footage where we can actually SEE that landing for real?

  • Bjarne Nilsson
    Bjarne Nilsson 5 months ago

    Nice video as allways, thsnk you. aome question tho, why do ground vihekles allways wave so nosy audio, bad radios, bad mics or some other reasob? Woops that sounded like a complaint, it was not intended to but my knolage about airport opperations is severly limited (my fault) so I just found it a bit strange as I would thing evrything resnable would be downe to reduce unesecery strain for the controllers that en up talking a decent amount to ground viheckes

  • Mark Holmes
    Mark Holmes 5 months ago

    I thought Lufthansa 400 couldn't land at JFK last time lol. Something about being too heavy for runway 22 while it was wet.

  • Mark of Excellence
    Mark of Excellence 5 months ago +1

    What an AWESOME set of pilots!

  • Brian D.
    Brian D. 5 months ago +4

    It's reassuring to know that we have such well-trained individuals in charge of our safety in such a potentially dangerous situation (in most cases). The pilot not only stayed cool and clam, but also kept his sense of humor. . .

  • Giodanni Victor
    Giodanni Victor 5 months ago

    I will be watching... So will I !!!
    Man pilot's and ATC job at it's finest !!!

  • Dev B
    Dev B 5 months ago +1

    Spectacular poise and professionalism

  • Daniel Haslam
    Daniel Haslam 5 months ago

    7:29 - 7:42 With the callsign incident, had those 13 seconds of miscommunication happened in a much more dire point in time the impacts could have been quite serious to say the least. Callsign tracking should be nearer the centerpoint of innovation to prevent such things from happening again.

  • Scott Brownlie
    Scott Brownlie 5 months ago

    How many different people does the pilot have to talk to when landing somewhere ?
    Approach, Final, Tower, Ground, Ramp ???

    • TheNewTimeNetwork
      TheNewTimeNetwork 3 months ago

      Yeah roughly like that. You come in from another sector to the Approach, get handed off to Tower for landing. Eventually you contact Ground for taxiing (on some airports, select taxiways like those between runways are controlled by Tower for simplicity) and ofter there is an extra Ramp controller for the apron. When you go around, you are sometimes handed off to Departure.
      However it all depends on the location.
      Look at the frequencies of EHAM (Amsterdam Shipol) for instance. They have different Approach sectors and multiple Towers handling different runways. On a typical route an a/c will of course only talk to one of each. They also have around 3-5 or so Ground controllers for different parts of the airport (north, west, south, central, ...), but no extra Ramp controllers (Ground handles the apron). So when you have a long taxi, you sometimes have to go through multiple Ground controllers.

  • Choff C
    Choff C 5 months ago +1

    That is called EXECUTION

  • welshpete12
    welshpete12 5 months ago

    A remarkable recording , and the crew so clam and collected ! I just worked out the fuel burn . If that plane was a 4 engine aircraft which I think it was , It works out at 19 lbs of fuel per engine per minute !

  • KHop_YT
    KHop_YT 6 months ago

    Hmm B738?? New plane? Nah, I know it was a spelling mistake

    • R Diaz
      R Diaz 2 months ago

      738 is ATC shorthand for 737-800. 732 is 737-200, 753 is 757-300, 744 is 747-400 and so on.

  • JetMechMA
    JetMechMA 6 months ago +1

    Must have been a flap asymmetry issue because they have an electric alternate flaps motor they could have used. But they wouldn't use the alternate system if they had a warning of flap/slat asymmetry. Seems like a relatively rare event.

  • Dheeraj Lalwani
    Dheeraj Lalwani 6 months ago

    Love the pilot’s attitude and professionalism here

  • Tyler Williamson
    Tyler Williamson 6 months ago +20

    We've got clearance, Clarence. Roger, Roger. What's your vector, Victor?

    • Ellenor Malik
      Ellenor Malik 3 months ago

      So unrealistic.

    • Brian Arbenz
      Brian Arbenz 4 months ago +1

      +Simon Brunner Municipal bonds, Simon! The safest investment in America!

    • Simon Brunner
      Simon Brunner 4 months ago +2

      Enough with the Airplane! comments already. That was an entirely different kind of emergency, altogether!

    • Tyler Williamson
      Tyler Williamson 6 months ago +4

      Obviously doesnt speak Jive

    • Brian Arbenz
      Brian Arbenz 6 months ago +2

      I think that was the greatest post, but my Dad said you didn't work hard enough on it.

  • magellanmax
    magellanmax 6 months ago

    No video of that landing?

  • Anvilshock
    Anvilshock 6 months ago

    5:12 - "Wheewheewhee, I want my fuel in pounds" - Ass-backwards tosser.

    • R Diaz
      R Diaz 2 months ago

      Pounds is easily translated to gallons, whereas flight time is not. Weight is an absolute measure of fuel.

  • PutinKills
    PutinKills 6 months ago

    I never use flaps when I play flight simulator, no problem

    • R Diaz
      R Diaz 2 months ago

      And you don't fly real aircraft for a living, hauling real people. And for this, I truly rejoice.

  • Lynne R
    Lynne R 6 months ago

    I'm wondering if this is the runway I landed on one day in 1987. We were supposed to land at LaGuardia but had landing gear problems that started at takeoff. The gear wouldn't retract. When it finally did, I wondered if it would come back out for landing. It didn't at first. The pilot told us we were being diverted to JFK because we needed an extra long runway to stop the plane. Everyone was freaking out. Sure enough, it took the whole runway to stop the plane. There was smell of burning inside the plane. All kinds of emergency vehicles were there. Everyone cheered, cried and clapped when the plane finally stopped.

  • Philscbx
    Philscbx 6 months ago

    I'll bet, Actually flying it to the ground, vs flaps,, no one felt the gear touch.

  • Michael hi
    Michael hi 6 months ago +3

    "We'll be the fastest Boeing 737 landing you've seen in a long time" Lol atleast the captain still has a sense of humor despite the situation theyre in

  • Dusty Rusty
    Dusty Rusty 6 months ago

    That first officer must have ice water running through him to remain as calm and collected as he was. Also, his sense of humor was terrific. Kudo's to the flight crew and ATC personnel.

  • LA2047
    LA2047 6 months ago +8

    Holy crap how do those ATCs keep track of all that movement. A whole new respect, now that I've seen all the moving parts.

  • F Huber
    F Huber 6 months ago +1

    Probably wore out a set of tires....
    Which is just fine.

  • Kobe Wild
    Kobe Wild 6 months ago

    speed 190k so a space shuttle landing.

    • R Diaz
      R Diaz 2 months ago

      But they have power and can go-around, if needed. Big advantage.

  • daniel scanlan
    daniel scanlan 6 months ago

    You came this far now GTFO the runway!

  • budgiebreder
    budgiebreder 6 months ago

    The pilot seems like a jokester even in a bad situation. 5:33 - tone is kinda “o crap - this sucks, but heres your info”

  • Greasy nPoor
    Greasy nPoor 6 months ago


  • Conor Mc Kernan
    Conor Mc Kernan 6 months ago +1

    "This will be the fastest '737' landing ever." ATC: "We'll be watching" Pilot: "So will I" LOL Great sense of humour lol

  • Gildo Boknoy Lee Destreza Jr

    Are they landing with an ILS?

    • VASAviation -
      VASAviation -  6 months ago +3

      In this kind of situations it is preferrable to handfly the aircraft and feel it. That way you know how the aircraft is behaving on that "flap up" situation.

  • Sabrina Baran
    Sabrina Baran 6 months ago +8

    The pilot was so calm. This is the fastest landing you've seen in awhile! And the controller like I'll be watching the pilot "Me too!"

  • Tw0eY
    Tw0eY 7 months ago

    these guys are too cool under pressure

  • Scott Forney
    Scott Forney 7 months ago

    What do you tell the passengers in this scenario?

  • Taekwondo Time
    Taekwondo Time 7 months ago

    Do you think the passengers were notified? ie: Emergency landing, brace for impact? Or do you think the pilot landed the plane without the passengers knowing anything was wrong?

  • unapro3
    unapro3 7 months ago

    Not sure why you would want to stop on a runway and risk closing it down. Worst thing fro hot brakes is a stationary A/C. The best option would have been to turn off onto a taxiway that wouldn't cause congestion and then have everything checked over. Captain was being a bit over dramatic and a bit of a diva me thinks.

    • R Diaz
      R Diaz 2 months ago

      And you are totally ignorant of aviation policy and protocol.

    • VASAviation -
      VASAviation -  7 months ago

      Do you know what landing with flaps up mean?

  • Flight Sensei
    Flight Sensei 7 months ago

    This com should be used in training as an example of how it's done. Situation and plan clear as a whistle!

  • Bipin Gurung
    Bipin Gurung 7 months ago

    It's 3 am

  • Samuel Robinson
    Samuel Robinson 7 months ago

    I wish ATC nets always came through this clearly

  • voci ferus
    voci ferus 7 months ago

    Did I miss something from the world of aviation? A Boeing 738?

    • R Diaz
      R Diaz 2 months ago

      Siddown, we'll learn ya the lingo: okay, a B738 is a 737-800, a B734 is a 737-400, a B752 is a 757-200, 748 is a 747-8i. Hope that helps.

    • VASAviation -
      VASAviation -  7 months ago

      The channel has turned into a more professional level since last year. I want people to learn. You asked "A Boeing 738?". I answered "yeah. Boeing B738" and you - without knowledge - told me "Boeing 738 has never existed and does not exist.". Then, first learn then debate ;)

    • voci ferus
      voci ferus 7 months ago

      Fair enough. I just didn't know that your videos were made exclusively for that select group of people who know by heart the ICAO codes for each aircraft type. So when you will upload a video with a title saying that "A B78X just landed", we will understand that a Boeing 787-10 has just landed. And why not, since you'll never hear members of the flying public say to each other "Hey I'm flying on a 787". Nah, what they say is "Look at that nice B78X". Anyway, many thanks for the education.

    • VASAviation -
      VASAviation -  7 months ago +1

      B738 is the ICAO code for B737-800. You better learn instead of saying someone is wrong.

    • voci ferus
      voci ferus 7 months ago

      Boeing 738 has never existed and does not exist. But Boeing 737-800 does exist. The video itself confirms your mistake.

  • Mike CorLeoné
    Mike CorLeoné 7 months ago

    Someone needs to find and post the landing video...

  • Vince McKenzie
    Vince McKenzie 7 months ago +2

    I love how calm and professional these people are.....from pilot to atc to ground crew......well done!!!!!!

  • CJdude22
    CJdude22 7 months ago +1

    How the tower and flight crew handle a situation like this never ceases to amaze me, provided it's done right, and done professionally. I seem to recall a series of communications between ATC and a rather rude pilot. Said pilot wanted a particular runway, ATC said no....you have THIS runway. The aircraft then declared an emergency for no other reason than wanting (and getting) their chosen runway.
    Should ATC have held JBU short of the runway? Maybe, maybe not. It's a judgement call. Obviously the safe landing of AAL1609 took priority over everything else. You don't hear it but you do see other traffic cleanly swept out of the way. Once an emergency is declared, the PIC has the authority and priority. On the same token, ATC still has an airport to run. AAL1609 already had a plan in place and communicated to ATC for a missed approach. If the JBU had a takeoff difficulty, AAL1609 would still get plenty of warning to effect the missed approach and had a comfortable fuel cushion to go around and set back up.
    The cockpit reported no obvious problems besides the failure of the lift devices on the leading and trailing edges. I'm sure the 20-30 minutes they spent working their checklists would have at least hinted at more if there were additional problems, as the checklists are designed to either indicate or rule out potential problems. Engine failures, hydraulic failures, electrical failures, smoke in the cockpit/cabin, damage to the aircraft, suspected fire, partial incapacitation of the flight crew....each of these would require its' own unique process. I think given the set of circumstances, the PIC and ATC made all the right calls. But, like anyone else, that's my opinion. What matters is everyone went home safe, in the end.

  • Jurq Studio
    Jurq Studio 7 months ago

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  • t0nyc0nde
    t0nyc0nde 7 months ago

    Kennedy tower was pretty much unintelligible much of the time. Jeez.

  • Darren-Edward Oneill
    Darren-Edward Oneill 7 months ago +1

    To lose flaps and slats completely is insanely rare especially on a newer bus like the 738, well handled all round.

  • John Smythe
    John Smythe 7 months ago

    The controller had them turn several times. That seems like a lot of distraction, since the crew must have been quite busy working through the "what to do when flaps don't deploy" checklist. I suppose one pilot did the flying and radio calls while the other did the checklist. Thank you for the radar view; it is interesting to see how much other traffic is departing or arriving through the entire incident.

  • X Plane Media
    X Plane Media 7 months ago +2

    Haha I love the humour. Good vid. Glad everyone was safe

  • JetWireBox '
    JetWireBox ' 7 months ago

    Did you mean B737

  • Alan Jackson
    Alan Jackson 8 months ago

    I love the calmness and humour of this pilot... Sure he doesn't have English blood in there ha ha. Good job.

  • Alan Jackson
    Alan Jackson 8 months ago

    I don't know if some of these types videos edited but the ATC always seem to ask pilots more questions when they know that the pilot's will be running through check lists.

    ERAUPRCWA 8 months ago

    I teach my students how to do this all the time. There's such a major misunderstanding with the use of flaps, that when you don't have them, we assume that we can't slow down, which isn't the purpose of them.

  • 4 ohm
    4 ohm 8 months ago +1

    Great communication

  • Melissa Johnson
    Melissa Johnson 8 months ago

    Oh I see..pilot got jokes

  • kingssuck06
    kingssuck06 8 months ago +34

    Just want to tell you both good luck, we're all counting on you

    • MoctezumasRevenge1
      MoctezumasRevenge1 2 months ago

      +ozzie321 I thought he said my name's not Shirley

    • ozzie321
      ozzie321 3 months ago

      Don't call me Shirley

    • Brian Arbenz
      Brian Arbenz 6 months ago

      Shouldn't have had the fish!

    • unapro3
      unapro3 7 months ago +3

      "looks like i picked the wrong week to quit smoking"

  • ThreeGhost
    ThreeGhost 8 months ago

    must say that pilot is one funny guy in that situation.

  • Ergzay
    Ergzay 8 months ago

    The callsign wasn't wrong. You're just hearing it wrong.

  • jappie jappo
    jappie jappo 8 months ago

    over 180 kt wtf!

  • Kenneth Axi
    Kenneth Axi 8 months ago +1

    Tower: "I'll be watching"... Pilot: "So will I!" LMAO!

  • TechTog
    TechTog 8 months ago

    High speed landing on a very long runway, a good pilot, no big deal.

    • R Diaz
      R Diaz 2 months ago

      Runway is 14,500 feet but for landing it is reduced to just over 11,000 due to displaced threshold, so as landing traffic can clear Runways 4R and 4L.

  • Space Jam
    Space Jam 8 months ago

    he handled it very well

  • Svelix
    Svelix 9 months ago

    Professionals at work.

  • Waterburner Zero Six
    Waterburner Zero Six 9 months ago

    Being an ole Salt, Ive been chauferred around this ole globe by both Coml & Mil crews, I have to say there was nothing there that was anything but absolute professionalism by All Concerned. You can tell they received training in successfully bringing this type of evolution to a safe and as nominal conclusion as can be expected.
    I was impressed. And it was the Flt Crew, Tower & Emer personnel that impressed, not my finger in my cheek!

  • Cali Man
    Cali Man 9 months ago

    I land without flaps all the time... on X-plane haha

    • R Diaz
      R Diaz 2 months ago

      I've got 10 years on Flight Sim...and an impressive 'safety record'. And I use flaps.