The real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice

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  • Published on Apr 15, 2019
  • This isn’t just a computer bug. It’s a scandal.
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    Two Boeing airplanes have fallen out of the air and crashed in the past six months. On the surface, this is a technical failure. But the real story is about a company's desire to beat their rival.
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  • ZeekielGames
    ZeekielGames 37 minutes ago

    That is sad. Boeing probably didn’t expect this *MCAS* system to fail, and thus it came unexpectedly that the planes were crashing. Disappointed...

  • CrossChannelFairy
    CrossChannelFairy 2 hours ago

    How is it a computer 'bug' when it's code that was written for a specific purpose?

  • PlanesRkool
    PlanesRkool 4 hours ago +1

    Everyone points fingers at MCAS. The MCAS did its job. The sensors or lack of sensors did not.

  • Jack Frost
    Jack Frost 5 hours ago

    You also have to blame the airlines because they wanted to save money on fuel even after the pilots warned them something was wrong with the new engines

  • DBR00
    DBR00 6 hours ago

    I normally hate background music in these videos but yours was soothing and somber in respect for the passengers killed.

  • adeleke abbey
    adeleke abbey 7 hours ago

    Ignorance and greed are relatives,Boeing:good night,Airbus:good morning

  • kingcarcas1349
    kingcarcas1349 7 hours ago

    I know somebody who worked with somebody that used to work at Boeing and at their new job they were telling them stuff like "we never tested things so damn much at Boeing like you guys want to" and then..............................

  • Victor Wanstreet
    Victor Wanstreet 8 hours ago

    plane is perfectly safe it was pilot error

  • mack
    mack 9 hours ago

    So all Boeing had to do was increase the ground clearance on the 737 to accommodate for the larger engine and the two crashes may not have happened. How can Boeing guarantee the software update will not crash during operation.

  • Stacy Faulkner
    Stacy Faulkner 10 hours ago

    Inexperienced pilots is the reason for crash. Bottom line.

    • johan petersson
      johan petersson 9 hours ago

      No. Corporates who cut corners for money is the reason. Period.

  • Mark Anthony
    Mark Anthony 13 hours ago

    Who is the fa$ narrating?

  • leule dawit
    leule dawit 14 hours ago

    We should give up on the Boeing 737 max 8

  • PyroRomancer
    PyroRomancer 14 hours ago

    >software overriding conscious pilots

  • Boris Karloff
    Boris Karloff 16 hours ago

    Gone in 600 seconds

  • Boris Karloff
    Boris Karloff 16 hours ago

    Boeing boeing...gone

  • Boris Karloff
    Boris Karloff 16 hours ago +1

    Kill one person...go to jail
    Kill a lot of people....a statistical blip to your profits.

  • will edwards
    will edwards 17 hours ago

    Is background music really necessary? It makes the dialogue hard to hear.

  • Boater on Tour
    Boater on Tour 18 hours ago

    It's bad that there must crash a second plane before something was done.

  • Greenvolksi
    Greenvolksi 21 hour ago

    Shocked. Did Boeing seriously fix bad flight dynamics with a bit of software and a sensor??? Is this the same company that designed and built the Jumbo and the Dreamliner?? Someone or some people in Boeing need to go to prison.

  • Nick M
    Nick M Day ago +2

    They had no left phalange. So sad.

  • M Ski
    M Ski Day ago

    Trained pilots wouldn't have crashed !!!

    • Turb0 Punda
      Turb0 Punda Day ago

      That's not 100% true but they would have been more prepared but more prepared doesn't mean that it will solve it

  • MavHunter20XX
    MavHunter20XX Day ago

    ONe thing thing that is left out that US pilots never crashed the 737 max. Is it true they didn't know about the MCAS? Or is it that they were so dependent on the computers they didn't know how to fly the the plane themselves w/o computer intervention. Something to think about and investigate.?

    • Turb0 Punda
      Turb0 Punda Day ago

      They wouldn't be flying if they couldn't fly it themselves. The autopilot is mostly used while the plane is stable and leveled at its cruising altitude so the pilots can relax a bit. Also you said they "wouldn't know how to fly the aircraft without computer intervention" when computers caused it in the first place.

  • Michael Lim
    Michael Lim Day ago

    FAA regulators?

  • Michael Lim
    Michael Lim Day ago

    How come the Boeing leaders and those involved in Max project are not found guilty of MANSLAUGHTER? Is it because they are americans and like all americans they are above the law?

    • Turb0 Punda
      Turb0 Punda Day ago

      That's not how the law works with air travel

  • Kairvette
    Kairvette Day ago +1

    Cant believe ppl would put such baseless story on the web without all the facts and data.

    • Boris Karloff
      Boris Karloff 16 hours ago

      Can you believe that aircraft builders would put flawed redesigns into the service of carrying passengers?

  • Spic Democrat
    Spic Democrat Day ago +1

    Boeing executives bonus are calculated based on number of deaths, the more deaths the higher the bonus !!!!!

  • Spic Democrat
    Spic Democrat Day ago +1

    After the two crashes the Boeing executives ask? How big a bonus are we gonna git !!!!!

  • Spic Democrat
    Spic Democrat Day ago +4

    Never trust American companies, they don't mind killing their customers. Remember the Ford pinto !!!!!

  • Curtis Whyte
    Curtis Whyte Day ago +1

    This and all the issues the 787 was having is why I HATE Boeing. There more concerned with money then they are with human life and it disgusts me...

  • irvan36mm
    irvan36mm Day ago

    Boeing couldn’t just install taller landing gear in order to raise the 737
    to make room for the bigger engine instead?

    • Turb0 Punda
      Turb0 Punda Day ago

      I'm pretty sure they'd have to change other things to accompany the taller landing gear and moving the engines up was an easier fix

  • Cosmos Wolf
    Cosmos Wolf Day ago +1

    Maybe Boeing and Airbus should end their rivalry.

    • Turb0 Punda
      Turb0 Punda Day ago

      Companies can't just "end their rivalries" it's a business rivalry and that means they're fighting over customers and if you end it it would end with one of the companies going bankrupt or dyingor one of the companies surpassing the other by a large amount.

  • Cosmos Wolf
    Cosmos Wolf Day ago

    Competition ain't always good.

  • Cosmos Wolf
    Cosmos Wolf Day ago

    Maybe competition isn't always good.

  • Cosmos Wolf
    Cosmos Wolf Day ago

    This story proves that competition between companies isn't always a good thing.

  • Cosmos Wolf
    Cosmos Wolf Day ago

    In the end, the rivalry between Boeing and Airbus is what started this whole thing. Competition isn't always a good thing, especially in the Boeing/Airbus case.

  • Sweetteawillie
    Sweetteawillie Day ago

    At 3:52, the training materials don't include the software because pilots are trained to correct a runaway trim condition by selecting the AutoStab cutout and manually trimming the plane, which is how MCAS receives its power.

  • Vapletrichs Gne
    Vapletrichs Gne Day ago

    This should be used as an example of how the media manipulates facts through it’s disgusting attack on America.

  • Vens Modz
    Vens Modz Day ago

    Thats so sad. My heat goes out to the familys

  • Stefan Hearst
    Stefan Hearst Day ago

    This is exactly what 8 or 9 of pilots and engine inspectors were at DFW Airport were discussing near the restaurant at the airport that I was over-hearing with my friend Sarah way before any accident. The mechanics would also mention that, during inspection and review of engine servicing, there would always be buckets filled with O-rings, gaskets, lock-nuts and other parts that were new but not installed or used during the engine rebuild servicing at overseas contractor locations. The manuals were in English and many of the contract mechanics did not speak English and certainly did not read English but, in an effort to save money and increase profits for the American Airlines and Southwest Airlines and other airline companies, it was a "no brainer" to offshore the work to contract mechanics as they can be paid pennies on the dollar without any type of healthcare benefits needed. Oh well. When it comes to business decisions to maximise company profits at any price, it is apparent that human lives are taken into account and are irrelevant and inconsequential. All that really matters in or American Darwinian Capitalist Plutocracy is PROFIT above all things. Praise Be to the Free Market Economy.

  • Sweetteawillie
    Sweetteawillie Day ago

    At 2:22, the engine move is forward and up, and renders a balanced effect, as tested in the wind tunnel.
    Not just moved "up".

    • Linus Möller
      Linus Möller 20 hours ago +1

      Yeah, that part could have been better explained.

  • Sweetteawillie
    Sweetteawillie Day ago +2

    What are your sources for the article besides other related news topics?

  • Seany 92019 ツ
    Seany 92019 ツ Day ago

    Boeing: Lets put a bigger engine on the 737 we don’t care if it doesn’t fit
    *PLANE CRASHES*
    Me: Just put taller wheels duh

    • Turb0 Punda
      Turb0 Punda Day ago

      Might not fit In when the gear folds up

  • donna foster
    donna foster Day ago

    Watch the documentary on you tube 60 minutes Australia., it tells everything about this. I was shocked. Of course you won’t see it air in the USA, but thank God for you tube, we all can watch it.

    • donna foster
      donna foster Day ago +1

      Sweetteawillie i have watched his videos. He is amazing in explaining the problems with the Max8.

    • Sweetteawillie
      Sweetteawillie Day ago

      donna foster
      I'll give you a source worth listening to - it's blancoliro channel, a current B-777 pilot with regular updates on this issue.
      So far, this video and an WSJ video omit key facts in their stories.
      Be leary of the mockingbird media.

  • Bearded Barnstormer

    Nice hatchet job on Boeing vice. Funny how none of the American operators had any issue with this. Where were you guys when the Automation on the airbus killed everyone on that Air France flight? I’ll wait

  • Tan Hinggjien
    Tan Hinggjien Day ago

    Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 9 ... ..is UNWELL aircraft production..... wrong and failed technology...
    Boeing.....
    MUST BE..... CHANGE.... this model and technology......... NOW...!! !! !! !!.......must be RISING.. NEW Model and NEW Technology..... and NEVER REPEAT.... MAX model and MAX technology....... Forever..
    and forever.... ....and Forever......!! !!

  • Austin Duffield
    Austin Duffield Day ago +1

    Boeing need to pay millions to the families.

  • Muhammad Firdaus
    Muhammad Firdaus Day ago +2

    penyelidik mati-matian mencari penyebab moncong pesawat yang menukik drastis itu, dan boeng's diam-diam aja, gak bilang klo mereka menambahkan software MCAS, yang menyebabkan hal itu sebagai solusi karena merubah design letak mesin, demi menyaingi Airbus..
    it's All About money...damn.

  • Typical Ragyzy
    Typical Ragyzy 2 days ago

    The Lion air crash was on my birthday omg
    Crazy

  • Nobilangelo Ceramalus
    Nobilangelo Ceramalus 2 days ago +1

    What ever happened to fail-safe thinking in an aircraft company a hundred years old? 'Design is thinking made visible.
    But those guys were thinking, 'Quick, we have to beat Airbus', not 'How do we design a plane that will be safe?'

  • Edward Burke
    Edward Burke 2 days ago +1

    Sure, Boeing is in the wrong for failing to properly manufacturer and impliment the new engines but the FAA approved it.
    Everybody knows that a company might try to cut corners to save on cost, but what is the FAAs reason behind clearing an obviously flawed system?

    • Cosmos Wolf
      Cosmos Wolf Day ago +1

      It's because the FAA is corrupt.

  • Niko
    Niko 2 days ago +1

    You see, the safty priority in Indonesia and Africa, is alot less than the North America and Europe, especially northern Europe where the airplane travel is one of the most highest secure in modern age.

  • Dzaky 1706
    Dzaky 1706 2 days ago

    737
    737
    ------ +
    1474
    737
    ------- -
    737
    Just some random math comments folks nothing to see here

  • eSalty
    eSalty 2 days ago +1

    Bad idea to watch this before having to go on an airplane, wish me luck. :(

    • Sweetteawillie
      Sweetteawillie Day ago

      eSalty
      You are safer in aircraft than on land, based on facts.
      Watch and listen to a B-777 pilot on this issue at blancoliro channel. He has updates from Boeing and administration officials. You will have a better understanding of the situation.
      Be safe in your travels and be well... informed.

  • james ndung'u
    james ndung'u 2 days ago +1

    In reality MCAS was introduced to hide a structural defect

  • Mark 433
    Mark 433 2 days ago

    I think this is why they say - never believe everything you hear on the internet

  • Green Silver
    Green Silver 2 days ago

    If it says Boeing, I’m not going.

    • Turb0 Punda
      Turb0 Punda Day ago

      Flew to Indonesia on a boeing 787 and to Japan on a 777. Just because one plane isn't safe doesn't mean they all are

  • re575817
    re575817 2 days ago

    America, we need to move to a socialist thought of thinking. AMERICA can still be a captious nation, but at what cost, itS consumers? Save lives and still make money. What is your rush? HOW MUCH IS TO MUCH?

    • Turb0 Punda
      Turb0 Punda Day ago

      Boeing is American but America is not Boeing

  • Passionately Ambivalent

    I'll take the train.

  • Michael Oswal
    Michael Oswal 2 days ago +1

    Why am I not surprised is the USA company the one "failing"

    • Sweetteawillie
      Sweetteawillie Day ago

      Michael Oswal
      The WSJ will sell you the same story.
      Market players taking advantage of bad publicity?
      A smear and a wrap-up all in one!

  • tiffsaver
    tiffsaver 2 days ago

    WHY HAVEN'T THE RESULTS OF THE BLACK BOXES BEEN RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC YET??

  • jake wood
    jake wood 2 days ago +1

    And also how does he know anything about aerospace engineering

  • Jose Camacho
    Jose Camacho 2 days ago +1

    wow putting there customers in danger so they can win

  • dovahkiin vakii
    dovahkiin vakii 2 days ago

    Vuz they want erase some Indonesianand africans 😂😁😂😂😂😁

  • R3CAV
    R3CAV 2 days ago

    Oof

  • Anais Gouati
    Anais Gouati 2 days ago

    Stop putting peoples lives in danger because you want more money!

    • Turb0 Punda
      Turb0 Punda Day ago

      It's not they want more money you understand companies can go bankrupt

  • Pussy Footer
    Pussy Footer 2 days ago

    Oops 😬

  • Astried Yunita Hair
    Astried Yunita Hair 2 days ago +2

    When Lion Air 610 crash with no trace because it's in the water, many blamed Lion Air not doing the right procedure. Even Boeing itself. I think somehow Ethiopian Air saves lots of life after. Because everybody was finally looked up to what happens since nobody care about what happen to Lion Air 610. Rest in peace all the soul from Lion Air and Ethiopian Air.

  • Steve Judge
    Steve Judge 2 days ago

    As tragic as it is, I can’t help myself to compare a scene of real plane crash with 9/11 - Flight 93 Shanksville Pennsylvania - "Nothing there but a hole in the ground" ... Go Figure ..

  • yong plus
    yong plus 2 days ago

    Wild wild west...thats all that it is. Greed

  • rooster sideburbs
    rooster sideburbs 2 days ago +1

    I dont see anything in this video that shows boeing did this to cut corners - they did it to compete with airbus. I dont think boeing knew this software would cause crashes - yeah cause crashes = bad for business.

    • Sweetteawillie
      Sweetteawillie Day ago

      rooster sideburbs
      Blancoliro channel is the one for you. You can see through this hype!

  • Charles Foree
    Charles Foree 2 days ago +8

    If you turn off the MCAS you now have an aircraft that is known to be dangerous without it. Nice work, Boeing.

  • supernovasuper Plays

    Now little bit more people hate Boeing Boeing should think twice if he thinked think more and Boeing probally feeled bad but I am in the Airbus side not because of this because I like Airbus more than *BOEING*

  • Monisha Singh
    Monisha Singh 3 days ago +3

    This is so sad... Someones greed took multiple lives.

  • Mike Howard
    Mike Howard 3 days ago +1

    Speed on production line, kills

  • Sorest
    Sorest 3 days ago

    duck tape solutions

  • Zactical Nerf
    Zactical Nerf 3 days ago

    The problem is competitive market. One flaws, one failure.

  • Alicia Truglio
    Alicia Truglio 3 days ago +2

    what happened to stab trim motor shut off switch?

    • Sweetteawillie
      Sweetteawillie Day ago

      They repeatedly turned it off and on.
      Too late for second plane because they left auto thrust on, I believe.

    • Alicia Truglio
      Alicia Truglio 3 days ago +1

      good question, must be an A/P mechanic.

  • Joe Swanson
    Joe Swanson 3 days ago +11

    Boeing 737: *exists
    MCAS: I'm about to ruin this old mans whole career.

  • Shaun Payne
    Shaun Payne 3 days ago

    Money money money money

  • Ryan Chen
    Ryan Chen 3 days ago +1

    I would have made the landing gear longer.
    Just saying
    and why on earth would you program a software in a plane that could overwrite the pilot’s control?

    • Toasturself
      Toasturself 3 days ago

      Ryan Chen yeah I would of made the landing gear longer too

  • mbah ganteng
    mbah ganteng 3 days ago

    Terjadi lagi

  • Tonny L Nielsen
    Tonny L Nielsen 3 days ago

    Is this really BOEING ?? First they destroy the aerodynamics of an airplane, then they "counteract" this with a strange unreliable system ! I will NEVER fly in this unreliable and unpredictable Boeing max 8 ! IF it ever flies again, all airlines in the future have to clearly make people understand what they are going into - to give passengers a chance to say NO! A chance to survive!

    • Sweetteawillie
      Sweetteawillie Day ago

      Who is going to force anyone to travel by air... to pay for a ticket?
      The FAA approved the 737MAX to fly without having pilots obtain new rype rating.
      The MCAS system was allowed to be a supplement for providing flight characteristics of the smaller engine aircraft.
      If anything, it was a lack of oversight to this system's potential problems, in my opinion.

  • Dennis
    Dennis 3 days ago

    American greed

  • Leon /Leon88991
    Leon /Leon88991 4 days ago +12

    Boeing 737 MAX: Grounded
    DC-10: First Time?

  • Kojak
    Kojak 4 days ago

    Boeing 737 Max's are still grounded for months.

  • RAYMOND HERBERT
    RAYMOND HERBERT 4 days ago

    WHERE WERE THE, FAA ENGINEERS, THAT APPROVED ALL THESE CHANGES? THEY WERE ASLEEP WHILE THEY LET BOEING DO ALL THE WORK AND TELL THEM IT WAS ALL GOOD. SO, THE FAA JUST BELIEVED BOEING AND LET IT GO.
    BOEING DID NOT INFORM THE FOREIGN BUYERS OF THE PLANE, OF THE PROBLEMS, SO THEY COULD GET THE TRAINING THEY NEEDED, TO KNOW HOW TO HANDLE IT. PLUS, BOEING DID NOT NOT MAKE SURE THE NEW SOFTWARE WAS INSTALLED, APPROVED, AND TESTED TO WORK PERFECTLY, IN EVERY AIRCRAFT, AS IT WAS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SO, AS WAS IT THE FAAs RESPONSIBILITY TOO.
    PLUS BOEING WAS CHARGING THE CUSTOMERS WHO BOUGHT THOSE FAULTY AIRCRAFT, FOR THE SOFTWARE, WHILE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROVIDING THE FREE UPGRADE, TO MAKE THE AIRCRAFT AIRWORTHY. GREED! ALL THE BOEING OFFICIALS WHO ALLOWED THIS SHOULD ALL BE IN JAIL, FOR AT LEAST TEN YEARS, EACH !!!

  • sergent chris
    sergent chris 4 days ago

    this is why money is the root of all evil

    • Sweetteawillie
      Sweetteawillie Day ago

      sergent chris
      This love for money is... evil.
      Money is tool. Try fixing most of your meals without it!

  • armando rosales
    armando rosales 4 days ago +1

    I guess reusing hardware isnt like reusing code. Unlike the 'bit' world, Test Driven Development/Extreme Programming in the 'atom' world...kills people. Atoms not Bits. Engineers should do physics, not coding.

  • Nils 0172
    Nils 0172 4 days ago +17

    After more than 300 people died.
    They "fixed it with a software update"
    How...:(

    • jack grayson
      jack grayson 3 days ago

      Cause that’s how many things are fixed

  • sue she
    sue she 4 days ago

    Only flying Airbus now

  • Leonard Ovchinikov
    Leonard Ovchinikov 4 days ago +1

    Good job boeing
    Good job...

  • I Like Fortnite
    I Like Fortnite 4 days ago +2

    Isnt it the *NEW* Boeing 737 MAX 9?

  • mohlomphehi
    mohlomphehi 5 days ago +2

    Boeing CEO deserves the firing squad. Bloody murderer!!!

    • Aneesh Sahu
      Aneesh Sahu 4 days ago +1

      That's too brutal. Let's put them in their own plane 🎫

  • Rusdy Alif
    Rusdy Alif 5 days ago

    Greed cause disaster

  • Klemen Debevec
    Klemen Debevec 5 days ago

    Hey it's capitalism, totally expected...

  • Robert Mattfeldt
    Robert Mattfeldt 5 days ago +3

    SLOPPY AMERICANS PUSHING THE LIMITS!

  • J R Deckard
    J R Deckard 5 days ago +1

    None of the plane parts from the crash of Flight 93 were above ground. Go figure.

  • Ryder Koch
    Ryder Koch 5 days ago +1

    I took a tour through the building where they assemble these planes. Creepy to think that I could have been looking at one of the ones that crashed. RIP all on board Lion Air flight 610 and Ethiopian Airlines flight 302.

  • melonbobful
    melonbobful 5 days ago +10

    Aviation is quite safe today because many have been killed by it.

    You know, something goes wrong and you fix it. Rinse and repeat.

    • 954_vq Mike
      954_vq Mike Day ago

      melonbobful too much technology and expertise to say that and countlessssssss amounts of dollars in research ....

    • jack grayson
      jack grayson 3 days ago

      It’s harsh but that’s how the world moves forward

  • Tristan Andrew Acosta

    Despite the issue the I still love the aircraft, the only reason I think why Boeing messed this aircraft is they sacrificed safety over profit.