Is this a computer?

  • Published on Apr 11, 2018
  • What's a computer? With that simple line in a commercial, Apple infuriated everybody. In the premiere episode of Processor, Dieter Bohn asks why it sparked so many feelings. And also tries to answer the question. Subscribe:
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  • The Verge
    The Verge  11 months ago +247

    Surface Pro vs iPad Pro vs MacBook Pro vs Pixelbook: which computer would you choose to be your only computer for the next couple of years? - Dieter

    • Geoffrey Carl
      Geoffrey Carl 24 days ago

      I'll choose Surface Pro or iPad Pro, because Google has quit China for decades. And it's not easy to use a Chromebook to do most work. I'll probably get a Surface Pro 7 if Microsoft finally improve the ports.

    • Noob Pro Gamer
      Noob Pro Gamer 4 months ago

      +Dill that is the winner

    • scooter800m
      scooter800m 4 months ago

      uh, maybe the surface but that's just for mobile stuff. i'm more of a use my phone for a few things and my desktop is the center of information. maaybe i'll see a tablet like laptop that has all the abilities i need from it. (like a helluva lot of power)

  • Wong Tik Ki
    Wong Tik Ki 2 days ago

    I am desiging PCR primers and analysing DNA sequences on my computer. Find me some ipad apps that can do it and I'll call it a computer.
    Oh, and apple is missing the train by not putting a touch screen on their macs. People nowadays are so used to touchscreen laptops that they naturally try to touch the screen of my macbook when I show them some graphs/ documents or something. The mac touchpad is still second to none, but who need it when you can drag and push and point and poke things directly on the screen?

  • Cliff Gamer
    Cliff Gamer 9 days ago

    Surface Pro or Surface Go

  • Mark Herbert
    Mark Herbert 9 days ago

    If I had to choose, I'd pick the Mac. What is the point of touchscreens on a *laptop*. Not a *tablet*, a *laptop*.

  • BabylFsh
    BabylFsh 24 days ago +1


  • markclaydon
    markclaydon 26 days ago

    Late to the game but would go with the Surface Pro - nice kit, light, uses apps that I already know, touch screen. Chrome OS still needs work, iPad Pro is just an iPad on steroids... now, if they combined an iPad Pro with a MacBook pro - a sort of iPadBookPro - then may be that would be work considering.... ;)

  • Shee

    Buy a surface book ..
    Thank me later!

  • Robert Demery
    Robert Demery 2 months ago

    I've take a different route than that which I had grown accustomed. I ditched social media, don't game like I used to, and am far more serious. I don't miss too many mobile apps as most of the ones I used were tied to some social media platform. I want Google Assistant on my Dell Win10 2in1. That is really it. I don't care for just about any mobile app I've tried, Facebook to Snapchat, they all seem childish to me (no offense to anyone who enjoys them.) So my point is from the ones you showcased I'd take the Surface and I'd miss Google Assistant. I bought a Pixel 2XL for the assistant and my car runs Android Auto. So I have what I need. When I sit down to work, it's just Windows and a good keyboard. Call me old, I've heard it before.
    Besides my real computer has a I5 and a 1070 Ti and can run Crysis.

  • Ryan Yang
    Ryan Yang 2 months ago

    touch bar is really a stupid useless idea.

  • Nigel Healy
    Nigel Healy 3 months ago

    Wasn't this out of date already as Chromebook runs mobile apps like the iPad does? Agree that Android tablets are dying with ChromeOS doing Android.

  • tweet2999
    tweet2999 3 months ago

    Q: When is a computer not a computer?
    A: When it's an Apple.

  • C7
    C7 3 months ago

    Surface Pro all day long no questions asked.

  • Random Person
    Random Person 3 months ago

    Use bluestacks on windows then

    KURT DANIEL DABU TAGLE 3 months ago

    Future: Ipad laptops
    Now with a camera and a flashlight!

  • Rasmies
    Rasmies 3 months ago

    I use a Surface Pro 4, I love it, but the problem is that it doesn't work with only touch so nice...

  • White nigga
    White nigga 3 months ago

    That’s a laptop not computer

  • SimsForever
    SimsForever 3 months ago

    I need my computer to run windows. I cant consider it a computer without that software. Its what am used too. I have the surface pro 6 as my second computer and thats as close to a tablet i ever want to get with my computer experience

  • ES Design
    ES Design 3 months ago

    I would say Surface Pro if I thought it would last for two years. Unfortunately to get everything done I still need to have a Windows machine. Since I wouldn't have a machine after the first year due to the battery failing, and Windows getting corrupted due to updates, I'd have to choose the Macbook Pro. After that the Pixelbook and lastly the iPad Pro, even though it's the most fun to use.

  • SemiMono
    SemiMono 3 months ago

    It's not a computer unless you can develop software on it. That's a simple "turing test", are the apps on the device capable of being used to develop themselves?

  • Quinn Hue
    Quinn Hue 3 months ago

    Also, the MTA's buses don't have bicycle racks.

  • P. Wingert
    P. Wingert 3 months ago

    One thing that seems to have been overlooked is the enterprise market. Take Toronto Dominion bank for example. They run in multiple countries with complex requirements for compliance and most other elements of their businesses (insurance, banking, investment, wealth management, real estate etc) They use at least 1200 uniquely created in house apps that they develop maintain and distribute a month their business units and external partners. These devices and changing to mobile operating systems simply will not meet the complex requirements that the custom apps often entail. I know of an app that has relied on a bug in Windows for 20 years. It was so bad that when Microsoft fixed the bug 60,000 workstations were affected and Microsoft had to create a special version of that module for distribution with in that business unit just so the program (not an app) could run properly. Until these issue can be addressed desktops, and laptops are not going anywhere nor is windows being replaced by a mobile OS. It takes years to validate a new operating system at a bank. Windows 8.1 is just finishing validation at some large enterprise operations. Windows 10 won't be ready for another 5 years at really large financial operations like chase Manhatten bank with over 500,000 devices running windows.

  • Badr AL-Nasser
    Badr AL-Nasser 3 months ago

    The MacBook Pro, but I will miss on the portability 😓

  • BecomingIntermediate
    BecomingIntermediate 3 months ago +1

    The ipad cant have three pieces of software open at the same time what is a computer???? I currently have 3 windows on my ipad now. 2 split screen and one floating. Come on what is a computer Dieter.
    Edit: F u youtube let me picture-in-picture your app what is a computer.

  • Rohan Saxena
    Rohan Saxena 3 months ago

    Pixel book

  • ruanfernando
    ruanfernando 3 months ago

    You know what the iPad Pro needs? MacOS.
    done, you have the future-gen computer. People keep getting "apps" wrong. You don't want tablet apps on your computer, you want full-power software.

  • VireakDara Soun
    VireakDara Soun 3 months ago

    Haha... U thought like what i think..

  • Cookie Wookie
    Cookie Wookie 3 months ago

    I would take a xps 13 2 in 1 I need a laptop but it's nice that it also works as a tablet

  • Rohit Sharma
    Rohit Sharma 4 months ago

    I need tablet with linux os

  • Roblox and Fun
    Roblox and Fun 4 months ago

    This is a computer🖥⌨️ sorry I can’t find a windows only a iMac

  • Nilesh Ghayle
    Nilesh Ghayle 4 months ago

    I'll always pick Surface Pro. Because for me what's an iPad / Pixelbook / MacBook? 😏

  • Wyatt M
    Wyatt M 4 months ago

    I've always loved Windows and I used to have a Surface Pro, currently I have a Surface Laptop but of those options I would choose the Surface Pro. I think it is wonderfully designed, runs great, has pretty good battery life, and is very reliable. If I had to say what I would miss out on, I guess I would say the UI design of Apple's devices. 🤷‍♂️

  • saikat93ify
    saikat93ify 4 months ago

    Tablets ARE computers. So are calculators. Computer doesn't just mean desktop or laptop.

  • John Kang
    John Kang 4 months ago

    Verge, did you just make a video making an excuse on Apple's ad? Why?

  • Ben Jones
    Ben Jones 4 months ago

    MacBook Pro everyday of the week.

  • William Guenthner
    William Guenthner 4 months ago +1

    Apps are what makes a computer useful. iOS has the most apps, despite it being a crippled OS.

  • David Mussington
    David Mussington 5 months ago

    I don’t know. I tend to take my 13 inch MacBook Pro and my iPad Pro with me everywhere. You don’t have to limit yourself to one device.

  • Samuel Tan
    Samuel Tan 5 months ago

    Definitely would go with the Surface Pro. Reason being Windows is the most computer like OS that isn't a Mac among the 3.

  • Kinder Ferrer
    Kinder Ferrer 5 months ago

    A computer runs crysis

  • ARS
    ARS 5 months ago

    Also the iPad Pro CAN run 3 apps on screen at once.

  • ARS
    ARS 5 months ago


  • Максим Гаврищук

    I'm always try to keep my MacBook screen clean, don't see the reason in a laptop with touchscreen. Will wait for a kid with question of "What is the computer?"

  • Clorox Bleach
    Clorox Bleach 5 months ago

    Ive been using the iPad for a while now and man i do need my laptop along with it to run many things

  • Muhammad waleed
    Muhammad waleed 5 months ago

    why cant we consumers make our own?

  • Ren M.
    Ren M. 5 months ago

    Why does the iPad still use a mobile browser though???

  • Nerv
    Nerv 5 months ago

    I just want a Chromebook that's like the surface and can play the Android version of fortnite

    • Nerv
      Nerv 5 months ago

      +The Metropolis I know they exist just they can't play fortnite and it's not really a big deal since I don't really play it but a gaming Chromebook would be cool

    • The Metropolis
      The Metropolis 5 months ago +1

      The HP Chromebook X2?

  • Mr. Oculus
    Mr. Oculus 5 months ago

    Watching on my iPad Pro 10.5...

  • GG 2005
    GG 2005 5 months ago

    It does everything I want

  • GG 2005
    GG 2005 5 months ago

    It would be iPad Pro

  • Tom Golden
    Tom Golden 5 months ago

    I've had a Chromebook Pixel 2 - now I use a MacBook Pro. I used to have an iPad and grew up with a Windows laptop.
    MacBooks are a lot better than I ever gave them credit for. Chromebooks are super underrated though, especially with the amount of Google drive storage you get

  • Justin Van Dyk
    Justin Van Dyk 5 months ago

    I just want a Pixelbook that dual boots windows

    • The Metropolis
      The Metropolis 5 months ago

      How about a HP Spectre X360 that dual boots Linux?

  • Daniel Palacios
    Daniel Palacios 5 months ago

    I totally agree, its FRUSTRATING,. Just that, this companies invest millions and millions in their products and they haven't figured out yet
    Don't care if its Google, Apple, Microsoft or whatever other big brand out there, there is something always missing in their tech

  • Nadeem Rawashdeh
    Nadeem Rawashdeh 6 months ago

    MacBook and i think i would miss out on the touch screen

  • Jack Walton
    Jack Walton 6 months ago

    iPad Pro because I have one hahaha 😁😁😁💩

  • TheRageQuittingGuy
    TheRageQuittingGuy 6 months ago


  • TheCrazyhumans
    TheCrazyhumans 6 months ago

    As an engineering student I prefer a windows laptop or pc as it supports the software I use. For phones samsung and for tablets it's the ipad.

  • Promethean Ice
    Promethean Ice 6 months ago

    That was such a perfectly planned and executed video.

  • Khushaal Choithramani
    Khushaal Choithramani 6 months ago

    Definitely iPad

  • Максим Цыба
    Максим Цыба 6 months ago

    Chromebook looks like a perfect deal. What's wrong with him, that makes it not a perfect device for everyday use?

  • Samuel Fisher
    Samuel Fisher 6 months ago

    Anything that can compute is a computer. Thus meaningI am, the iPad Pro is, and the 35 year old calculator on your grandma’s desk are all computers. Fight me!

  • PTA
    PTA 6 months ago


  • arrozmaluco
    arrozmaluco 6 months ago

    1:00 giant feet Dieter

  • isoul3
    isoul3 6 months ago

    Macbook Pro. Just because I can be more productive with it. I can code with it!😁 But I will definitely miss out gaming (mobile) that only iPad Pro can provide.

  • TheAndy 06
    TheAndy 06 6 months ago

    Technically, the ipad does have 3 app support.

  • Nodar Tchumbadze
    Nodar Tchumbadze 6 months ago

    google pixelbook

  • Rafael Martinez
    Rafael Martinez 6 months ago

    I got the pixelbook and I got it because I am in the Google ecosystem and grew up with chromebooks. I have a Pixel phone, a TV with Chromecast built in and Google assistant support, an wear os watch, andvbeen using Google apps for years. I am in college and the thing that suck with the pixelbook is that it is difficult to connect a printer wired and that's it.

  • Daniel Evans
    Daniel Evans 7 months ago


  • Chanon Pongpanich
    Chanon Pongpanich 7 months ago

    Love this kind of philosophical approach to technology. Keep up the good work, Dieter.

    PLANET G 7 months ago

    the surface pro

    PLANET G 7 months ago

    it may be the surface pro . because you have a LAPTOP & TABLET on one device. and you just install the Google Chrome with his author apps from Google on the surface pro. but you still miss the design of the ipad because it's more portable than the surface pro.

    PLANET G 7 months ago

    it may be the surface pro . because you have a LAPTOP & TABLET on one device. and you just install the Google Chrome with his author apps from Google on the surface pro. but you still miss the design of the ipad because it's more portable than the surface pro.
    So the best pic ( an ipad pro have windows 10 pro and with Google apps installed.

    PLANET G 7 months ago

    it may be the surface pro . because you have a LAPTOP & TABLET on one device. well for chrome book you can just install the Google Chrome with his author apps from Google on the surface pro. but you still miss the design of the ipad because it's more portable than the surface pro.
    So the best pic ( an ipad pro have windows 10 pro and with Google apps installed.

    PLANET G 7 months ago

    it may be the surface pro . because you have a LAPTOP & TABLET on one device. well for chrome book you can just install the Google Chrome with his author apps from Google on the surface pro. but you still miss the design of the ipad because it's more portable than the surface pro.
    So the best pic ( an ipad pro have windows 10 pro and with Google apps installed.

  • Brandon Hysell
    Brandon Hysell 7 months ago

    Laptop computer

  • Maverick Hunter K
    Maverick Hunter K 7 months ago

    For me, the only downside of am iPad is that you can't format it and stuff like that. I get that it tries to be easy and friendly, but we should have the chance to choose. Plus, sometimes you NEED iTunes to restore and stuff.
    Other than that, the iOS interface is enough for most types of work.

  • Buzz Bee
    Buzz Bee 7 months ago

    Surface Pro - it’s versatile and works as a tablet, everything I need to do I can do on Windows (work apps such as Microsoft Office, social media browsing or watching The Verge on TVclip, and maybe even a little bit of light gaming), I can use the Surface Pen for annotating diagrams or presentations ...
    Though sometimes I do prefer navigating around Mac OS, but overall I can always rely on Windows and the Surface for anything I need, and whatever the situation.

  • Cameron Taylor
    Cameron Taylor 7 months ago

    I gave up my MacBook Pro for my iPad a year ago and I code, edit vid, and play mmo’s all day. Computers to my friend and I are old and unnecessary but I’m only 22 so maybe it’s just my age group that thinks that’s way.

  • Graysid
    Graysid 7 months ago

    what i wonder is if any of those computers can run good computer programs like ark survival...

  • paige santos
    paige santos 7 months ago

    Ipad pro because it is protable and i can use word on the ipad and if i do not have internet i can still work on internet bass stuff because i have a data ipad. The only thing i might miss with using a regular laptop is if i needed to use adobe photoshop or in design

  • Farmer Jim
    Farmer Jim 7 months ago

    iPad pro body and surface touch cover running windows 10.

  • チュimoc
    チュimoc 7 months ago

    The only one for next few years? Of course surface 😅

  • Rui Fernandes
    Rui Fernandes 7 months ago

    So Pro 😂 0:30

  • BloodRider 14
    BloodRider 14 7 months ago +3

    Obviously the Surface. I just need Windows. I guess the Mac could work, but nothing else

  • SilverTech
    SilverTech 7 months ago


  • Mozzman
    Mozzman 7 months ago

    Whats an iDumb?

  • JJ% 2018
    JJ% 2018 7 months ago +1

    I would pick the macbook pro

  • Alex Overton
    Alex Overton 7 months ago

    I'd definitely pick the Macbook Pro. Yes, I'd be missing out on Tablet features, but I really don't have a need for them. I love how my Mac works already.

  • silentkool21
    silentkool21 8 months ago

    Samsung Galaxy notebook 9 pro

  • The meme Man
    The meme Man 8 months ago

    why not just make a ios/android/windows mode all in one ipad?

  • Sarang Borude
    Sarang Borude 8 months ago

    What are your thought on things like Samsung DeX? Take your phone with you, hook it up to a display and you have a window based Desktop that run off of your phone, It is still not there yet, but is it fly or die? Think of carrying your phone with you, then insert is into a laptop like formfactor and it is a laptop. Now connect it to your desktop work station and you have a desktop. I was curious to see what your thoughts are about that giving the processors in the phones keep getting powerful every year.

  • Reese Kury
    Reese Kury 8 months ago

    iPad pro

  • Theo
    Theo 8 months ago

    I would pick the surface although I would miss the IOS apps of the iPad.

  • Shinzo's Sins
    Shinzo's Sins 8 months ago

    The only one I wouldn't pick as my computer for sure is iPad. Not because of commercial. I herad of it for the very first time. But because I don't need overly expensive tablet. I need computer that gives me all the options. Not just only ones that are avalible on their sotre.

  • Theo
    Theo 8 months ago

    What’s a TVclip video?

  • A. B. Shadow
    A. B. Shadow 8 months ago +8

    I need a The Verge coffee mug and sticker.

  • Sagars51
    Sagars51 8 months ago

    I would say all of them would do good in the future just see

  • Muhammad Habib Khan
    Muhammad Habib Khan 8 months ago

    Although Windows store lacks the vast variety of apps and games like on the App store and Play store, but I will still definitely go for Surface pro because in my personal opinion, Windows is the best for work and it's store is also getting better over time. So yeah Surface pro all the way!

  • Alvin Yang
    Alvin Yang 8 months ago

    iPad Pro is innovative and futuristic

  • Shubham Tripathi
    Shubham Tripathi 8 months ago

    Wow, this was just a bunch of generic observations thrown together. What about your own take on where computers are going & what their future is actually likely to be?
    IMO, every person needs 2 computers- one for portable, convenient, quick tasks & functions. And the other for hard core, high intensity computing or processing purposes. Most ppl thus use a full fledged laptop as well as a smartphone. Nobody needs, wants or cares for a tablet because it doesn't do anything extra tha both the above category of devices can't do.

  • I.P Mahendra
    I.P Mahendra 8 months ago

    I am a apple fan but I recommend surface pro

  • BP__
    BP__ 8 months ago

    Get a Windows laptop and get BlueStacks boom problem solved