Game of Thrones: Why Daenerys Was Cersei All Along - Two Sides of the Same Queen

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  • Go to nordvpn.com/thetake and use code thetake to get 75% off a 3-year plan. Protect yourself online today! | As it turns out, Daenerys Targaryen and Cersei Lannister are two sides of the same queen all along, even if they start out essentially as opposites. The final showdown between these two queens has always been the endgame, and their conflict reveals the true message about Game of Thrones. If you like this video, subscribe to our channel or support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/thetake
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    • Dammoh
      Dammoh 20 days ago

      Please what's the music from 6:10 please

    • Dammoh
      Dammoh Month ago

      The Take what's the background music from 6:10 please

    • pplr1
      pplr1 3 months ago

      I have to call bs on a lot of things in this video. I watched the whole thing and it deserves a thumbs down by the end. I noted some reasons and about when they pop up in the video.

      The video seems to be confused by saying both do __ when “inverse” is the opposite. It starts recognizing their differences and then tries to pretend they are the same. Problem is that is not true.

      Daenerys freed many slaves, how many did Cersei?

      4:40-recognizes Daenerys freed people while Cersei oppressed.
      Also recognized that Daenerys chained her dragons out of concern for others while Cersei let Joffery run rampant.

      5:45 be like Daenerys try to reshape the world in a better way and “help those who have even less”

      5:58 Cersei “hurts others for the hell of it” and chooses not to help others.

      7:31-45 Cersei hates and fears the people

      8:40 Cersei threatens to burn cities


      9:35 video said “This is fire and blood music”, yet it ignores when Daenerys said the blood of her enemies “not the innocent”.

      10:00 video blames Daenerys for her dead baby by being too trusting, there is a big difference between too trusting and Cersei choosing to kill her son’s wife (resulting in the son’s suicide).

      10:10 video misrepresent’s Cersei’s letter upfront demand (and threatening?) and Daenerys more friendly letter-written by Tyrion (who wants help ending Cersei’s tyranny.) The video claims after the friendly letter Daenerys demands Jon bend the knee when he gets there and thus is supposedly more dishonest. Yet Daenerys-when Jon refuses to bend the knee-said he is a guest. Oh, and Tyrion-not Daenerys-wrote the letter, he tends to be nicer than Cersei. Actually they both tend to be nicer than Cersei.


      10:24 video wrongly claims Cersei wants less from Jon than Daenerys by supposedly only asking for neutrality. Yet this is a blatant lie. We learn afterwards that Cersei had made a plan beforehand with Euron to have Euron pretend he was fleeing when he was really getting mercenaries for Cersei. She never planned to help and the whole eventual agreement to send Lannister forces was an act and big lie. If anything Cersei was trying to cost Daenerys a possible ally since it was unlikely Jon would ever ally with her.


      10:50 the video shows Cersei saying she doesn’t care about checking her worst impulses or making the world a better place. It actually has gone back to recognizing Cersei.

      10:55 claims Daenerys’s attempts at compromise don’t go well so she goes fire and blood. Very misleading because Daenerys tried compromises and used fire and blood when those compromises were betrayed. Daenerys is not responsible for when others betray or try to attack her-they are. The video tries to say she is.

      11:50 self-centered world vision ignores that Daenerys built what she had but also tried to do it in a way that didn’t harm, even helped, the powerless. Remember season 4 when Daenerys had places to sleep and eat made for former slaves and planned to make them safe the minute she heard there was a problem. Very different than Cersei who would not care.

      12:09 Cersei talks about caring about her family yet she tried to have Tyrion killed-he is part of her family. This video is ignoring things here. Selective editing?

      12:29 The video looses its point when complaining about “medieval logic”. That is how society operated at the time. Neither Cersei nor Daenerys made that happen. And if complaining about them then complain about every member of a every noble family in the show. It is called a “social norm”.

      12:51 Daenerys’s supposed complex resulted in her telling someone she cared about not to give up but to try finding a cure-and he did. Thus she told him to save his life when he had already given up. Not a bad thing.

      13:01 Daenerys supposedly didn’t compromise?? She did that with Jon Snow in season 7 through most of the time he was her guest!! She did that in Meereen as well. This video is just wrong here-possibly dishonest.

      13:19 “Daenerys is ruthless like Cersei”. No. She is ruthless with her enemies, but not the innocent. If Cersei had dragons she would’ve let them eat innocent people across the countryside. Daenerys did not. Big false equivalence.


      13:20 She was talking to a guy, Varys, who had tried to undermine his prior leaders and thus didn’t trust him. When he told her just beforehand he would not give blind loyalty she accepted it. Requiring him to say directly if he thought she was failing the people to her face and how (shows she is willing to take criticism). This is both compromising and taking other people’s concerns into account. The opposite of what the video claimed earlier.

      13:33 video said they look like each other Cersei in black (or dark cloths) and with crown, Daenerys in light tan and no crown. Someone can see the video is wrong or lying here. Oh, and it is right before Cersei killed Missandei-who never hurt or enslaved anyone.

      13:36 Video said “Shared rage” when look on Daenerys’s face may be concern for Missandei. The video is wrong here.


      13:50 Video claimed Daenerys didn’t choose between her “selfish ambition” and her “liberator identity”. Yet the main reason she stayed in Meereen so long (where video shows her) is to protect the people she freed rather than leave to grab her birth kingdom and let the slavers regain control. She delayed her ambitions-that is making a choice. The video is lying here and similar can be said about the white walker army which she goes to fight and puts her war for the throne on hold to do.

      14:10 Cersei is shown using civilians as human shields. Daenerys didn’t ever do this. These are very different queens and the video is being deceptive.


      14:31 Daenerys saying “I will not let those I have freed slide back into chains.” Anyone see Cersei saying or trying to do that? Nope. Different people.

      15:44 We get the answer of D and D breaking Daenerys’s character to do a pre-selected plot point. This was not showing Daenerys but what D and D wanted her to do without providing good reasons for it.

      15:50 If Daenerys chose “violence” then why not go directly to the red keep and burn Cersei like she would an enemy? D and D chose to make Daenerys let Cersei almost get away in order to attack civilians. This is out of character for Daenerys in 2 big ways-her protection of the innocent and her fire for her enemies. This goes against 2 not just 1 aspect of Daenerys’s character.

      16:05 If Daenerys was punishing her enemies then why almost let Cersei get away? Cersei didn’t care about civilians so why burn them at all?

      16:52 If belonging to that blood line means you flip out and kill everyone if your friends aren’t around should we expect that to happen with Jon Snow? If the answer is no then just maybe we shouldn’t accept the character breaking relating to Daenerys from D and D either.

      17:02 repeating D and D’s weak excuses is not character development. Showing the death of someone she warned earlier that chose to pull a sword and threaten to kill her and her unborn child is not proving Daenerys is evil. This is a huge double standard. Just consider anyone in the whole series who would want someone that just threatened to murder them and their children dead-lets start with the Stark family. If they aren’t evil tyrants in the making than neither is Daenerys.

      17:25 If Daenerys’s friends and advisors are killed or go distant that isn’t usually Daenerys’s choice. Which means she had no choice and this was supposedly inevitable. So the video isn’t being straight with viewers on if this was going to happen or not.

      17:40. Video said “We always have a choice”, not if D and D choose to break characters and patterns of action to hit their preferred plot points. Lets let Daenerys character as it was during seasons 1-7 (season 8 was written to give excuses for this to happen, its been acknowledged that D and D had this event in mind and were trying to jump to it) make the decision on what happens with King’s Landing.. oh look no mass burning of civilians.

      18:00 She doesn’t become the “mad queen” because of her genes. Wasn’t the video just referring to her bloodline a couple of minutes earlier?? This is speaking out of both sides of its mouth.

      18:10 Correction.. She could’ve still been the ruler she wanted to be if D and D didn’t mess with her character in Season 8.

      Also if she decided to attack Kings Landing in season 7 then that would be choosing violence but a lot of her friends would still be alive after Cersei was dead, so the civilian population would probably be quite safe. I guess the real message is violence is only ok if your friends are around. Or maybe, just maybe, the video here is just trying to make excuses at this point.

    • algogy
      algogy 4 months ago

      They are not the same queen. Cersei is more reasonable, she kills her opponents, for revenge, for power. Her father killed for political reasons. Ramsey kills for fun. Dany? She kills for no reason whatsoever. They made her completely insane 'because blood ya know'.

    • loredana godorogea
      loredana godorogea 4 months ago +1

      I read the books and this is one things that all americans who never read russian literature will never gets(Martin Likes it). In War and Peace Lev Tolstoy make the oposite mirror personages which are put in same situation but act different. It's showed in book, when Deny gets some authority first thing she do is stop women being raped and tries to make them equal, while cercei always treat all women with disrespect .
      Also she always think what is best for her people, how much to stay in Vaes Toloro, where to go, she also performe all rituals when someone dies.
      When a handmaid please Deny, she reject it because she respect her and never use her as sex object. Cercei abduct women . When Deny becomes queen she carries for citizen, make rules, make audience, listen the needs of people, when Cercei gets power she start whoring, drinking and act like Robert.
      When Sickness death and War come to Mereen, Dany delivers food, wash the sick people, wash the bodies, make their funerar with a help of o few unsulied. What Cercei did when war, death, food crisis come to king's landing?
      Their are shape like opposite of each other not same personne.

  • Eva Olivia
    Eva Olivia 17 hours ago

    The creator of this video is a kneeler.

  • Orion Watson
    Orion Watson Day ago

    I love this channel and all its videos except this one. Your points were well explained, and kudos to you guys for effort. However it doesn't make sense ,from what we've gotten from the show since Season 1, at least from my understanding
    Neither Dany, nor Cersei or any character's arc was satisfactorily executed except for Theon,Jorah and perhaps Lyanna Mormont.

    Just my opinion though

  • khaleesi-394
    khaleesi-394 2 days ago +1

    Deanerys has never been cersei and she will never be. D&d switched up their storylines and ruined the show with it as much as they ruined sansa by making her littlefinger 2.0. Both dany and sansa were the role models people were supposed to root for and in the end they both became the playthings of writers who think women shouldn’t have perfectly moraled, actually powerful female characters the way men have so many gary stu’s like jon snow.

    • khaleesi-394
      khaleesi-394 Day ago

      I guess counting every single slave in a city as a reason on themselves to conquer a city SOLELY in order to free them is white saviourism then... dany is much more of a role model for feminine women who want empowerment than arya whom d&d ruined with that tomboy bullshit either bc spoiler alert: book arya is bad as femininity and doesnt hate it just as she’s supposed to idolize a targaryen warrior queen, dany, who embodies everything she admires in Women. S8 just turned her into a xenophobic bitch whos hypocritical as well since she spent years in fucking braavos. You’re being disrespectful to every actor who called the shows final season shitty including maisie williams whose reaction to dany’s arc (the one that was supposed to be cersei’s) with 0 (zero) positive emotions.

    • khaleesi-394
      khaleesi-394 Day ago

      You both didn’t read my comment AND you’re unaware about all the outrage for sansa’s rape and hate for the sand snake’s arc throughout the fandom. A fake fan calling me a fake woke for saying what everyone thinks... wow.

    • Vivanne T
      Vivanne T Day ago

      khaleesi-394 Sansa, Cercei, Arya, Brianne, and Margeory were powerful characters who people rooted for. Sansa and Margeory both became queens without turning evil. Hell, Cercei was a ruthless queen but I didn’t hear anyone complaining about how the show is “sexist” for that 🤔. Ellaria Sand’s character development got ruined in the show but again, you “woke” feminist didn’t complain.

    • neosoontoretro
      neosoontoretro 2 days ago +2

      Sorry, but no. Daenerys is simply to complicit to the status quo and her white savior complex for her to be truly be seen as a role model. Btw, it's hard to GOT as being anti-women when Arya had the best arc in the last season.

  • Kell Harris
    Kell Harris 3 days ago

    If only GrrM was finished with the books when this was written. The outcome would have been about the same but the execution would have been so much better. I really loved the actors for game of throwns Dani and cersei and all off them really are such amazing actors. The affects where awesome and the budget was there. I just feel like the show couldn't fully pull off what George had clearly set up. Here s hopping he can finish it before he passes.

  • Judgemental Budgie
    Judgemental Budgie 5 days ago

    One of the bad things about this finale is that it gave a green light to all those idiots who've been seeing "hints" of her going mad but straight out ignore other characters acting violent or enjoying someone's death. Thanks god majority of people aren't really that stupid. The rating of the final episode speaks for itself. If they wanted to turn a character mad they should've done at least one more season. I'm not buying this crap, enjoy if you do. Those "hints" are a shitty excuse for a finale that ruined the great 7 seasons (yes season 7 was great compared to this). Poor execution is that, poor. Justify it all you want *shrugs*

  • Mark Chappell
    Mark Chappell 5 days ago

    How many dragons , please ?

  • Mark Chappell
    Mark Chappell 5 days ago

    A rubber duck in the bath helps ease the pain.

  • Rafael da Silva
    Rafael da Silva 8 days ago

    Great take on the subject. Won't erase the bad taste the awful rushed ending did, but show some good parallel between these two characters.

  • maloos kitty
    maloos kitty 8 days ago +2

    Never liked danny! She gave me the chills that psycho! I knew she was the villain deep down.

  • italianravioli
    italianravioli 10 days ago +1

    What if the scorpions were positioned throughout the city not just on the perimeter. This way Dany's burning of the city is not because of silly bells but because the scorpions are in her way and she will do anything to get the throne. The people living underneath the scorpions will just have to burn. And this can be where one of her dragon babies dies instead of at sea. At first she cautious, making sure she just burns the scorpions but this makes her too vulnerable, losing a dragon, so instead she decides to lay waste to the city. She signals for her army to retreat and then she becomes a wild fire. Uncontrolled white-hot rage. And in an unforeseen powerplay, Dany hunts down, then stabs Cersai in her pregant belly. Jaimie hightails, with Tyrion, across the sea unable to have saved his sister. Jon hightails emotionally refusing to love Dany anymore. Jon kills Dany because she does not quit raging, burning Westeros, and hunting the last Lannisters. This can parallel Alexander The Great's death. With Dany gone, centralized power is gone. Armies are exhausted and there isn't anyone who can mount a fullscale war to reign everyone in, so given this opportunity the rest of the kingdoms declare their independence. King's Landing is ashes. Westeros is significantly more unsafe for the little people.

  • italianravioli
    italianravioli 10 days ago

    What a great video! However, I am not getting NordVPN.

  • Pamela Bezerra
    Pamela Bezerra 11 days ago

    I’m sorry but Dany up to season 8 was nothing like Cersei. Most of these scenes were show creations anyway and not from the books. The Dothraki would’ve destroyed the world if they had the opportunity. I’ve seen Tywin, and Robert, and Stannis, and Melisandre, and Jon Snow, and Sansa, and Littlefinger, and Catelyn, and Varys, and the Hound, and the Mountain, and Bronn, and Jeoffrey do way worse things than Dany and no one compared them to Cersei ou said they were mad or evil. Stop trying to defend the madness that was the end of GOT. It had a childlike plot where things happened in a ridiculous way and that is NOT our fault and we don’t have to like it.

  • Awale Drezzy
    Awale Drezzy 13 days ago +3

    The lesson that many people dont seem to understand even after 8 seasons is that the iron throne is cursed, everyone that wants to sit on it becomes a different,violent and ruthless person and eventually gets killed. Thats why jon never wanted it or even tyrion.

    • Awale Drezzy
      Awale Drezzy 10 days ago

      @Jaina Maden Exactly.

    • Jaina Maden
      Jaina Maden 10 days ago +1

      @Awale Drezzy Exactly. So Drogon melted the throne instead of killing Jon.

  • Cernunnos  Wild
    Cernunnos Wild 13 days ago

    I guess caveat of this statement is
    ...in the show. The books maybe a little different. And better written.

  • Eat the Rich
    Eat the Rich 13 days ago

    I mean Dani is a war hero who fought for the people and against slavery...but yeah let's just falsely equivalize them

    • Vivanne T
      Vivanne T Day ago

      Eat the Rich She’s also a criminal for burning people

    • neosoontoretro
      neosoontoretro 2 days ago +1

      So because she's against slavery that justifies everything she does? Sorry, but no. Slavery is based on violence and Dany using violence as means for liberation vindicates the status quo not the other way around.

  • Eristitia
    Eristitia 15 days ago

    Daenerys did not grow up poor. So, only half a minute you already don't know what you're talking about.

  • proserfina21096
    proserfina21096 16 days ago

    They had similarities in each life events but....Cersei never had an ounce of love for the people and Dany had that trait- until she was forced to waste half of King's Landing people because her adviser screwed her up. This is just an opinion .

  • Sandy Stark
    Sandy Stark 17 days ago

    Holy crap. I didn't see all of these parallels.

  • Inès Castellano
    Inès Castellano 17 days ago +1

    Daenerys is the result of bad writing...

  • aka A
    aka A 18 days ago

    Similar to real life when a person comes to power it corrupts them

  • Kat W.
    Kat W. 19 days ago +1

    And to me this completely disregards who and what a person fundamentally is, in favor of saying a person is created all by environment. The old nature vs. nurture. We become more realized as we grow and experience, but this does not mean we are simply inverse mirrors. Perhaps, especially if you read him, Martin is saying the very opposite of what this video is. This video from a pop source that seemingly HAS to try to make sense of the rushed, ruined ending to a once great show. We all have the ability to grow, change, become more fully ourselves. I do not believe, however, that Danaerys' was a horrible murderer all along. It wasn't just circumstance that made her care about people - and with the right advisors, she could have taken the throne and understood a totally different country anthropologically.

  • T D
    T D 19 days ago

    I loved the end. Saw it coming for a long long time!!!! Woohoo!!!

  • Dammoh
    Dammoh 20 days ago

    Do someone know the music theme from 6:10

  • MegaMan11
    MegaMan11 20 days ago

    The showdown between Daenerys and Cersei, musta missed it.

  • MunchiePow
    MunchiePow 21 day ago

    You were really reaching in smarts

  • TvFreakLady
    TvFreakLady 21 day ago +1

    I like your video. It's very well done. But I personaly prefere Cersei. She'll be ALWAYS my queen!

  • Master of Ks
    Master of Ks 21 day ago

    Its funny how jon said he wont be loyal to cersei, but he could've lied.

  • Anabel Stegmaier
    Anabel Stegmaier 22 days ago

    such a good video

  • Fiona Baby
    Fiona Baby 22 days ago

    What got me was that she burned the whole city around the keep. Why not just burn down the keep? But then when you're grieving and angry at the whole world, logic isn't a priority.

  • 李玉琼
    李玉琼 23 days ago

    Mormont:dies
    Varys:dies
    Missandei:dies
    Drogi:dies
    Grey worm:eff it I believe in the queen
    Tyrion:ok this girl is effed

  • 李玉琼
    李玉琼 23 days ago

    Cersei:killed less than a thousand people
    Dany:saved 200000 lives in yunkai,and murdered 500000 citizens in kings landing

  • M
    M 23 days ago +1

    this is a Bad Take. Lol

  • Lauren Magnussen
    Lauren Magnussen 25 days ago

    Well said

  • PJFSr
    PJFSr 25 days ago

    Shame most people focus on Sansa and Cersei, who are really as different as night and day.
    Should have a comparison of the 3 Danny, Sansa and Cersei.
    I think the fact Sansa had her parents in her early stage of life and a loving family is what saved her from becoming totally like the other two.
    Also like Cersei and Danny, her line was a product of 1st cousin incest.

  • suhe cheng
    suhe cheng 28 days ago

    never liked danny,until he decide to attack white walker

  • Brett Cole
    Brett Cole 29 days ago

    *insert shameless plug

  • Archen Forever
    Archen Forever 29 days ago

    BEST CHARACTERS EVER.

  • GiniroTsuki
    GiniroTsuki Month ago +4

    A very interesting take on this, I never noticed the parallels. However, I still don't really agree that it makes sense that Dany destroyed Kings Landing. I agree that Cersei set it up so that Dany would have to choose between the people and the crown, but in the end Dany didn't HAVE to make that decision. She'd already won with very little casualties. If they'd set it up in such a way that Dany's army was losing, the throne slipping further and further away and the only way she would win was if she let Drogon go crazy burning the city down, then yeah. I can see that being plausible. But this? There was no need for this. No reason Dany would have lost it like that. She'd already won. I'm also getting really tired of people pointing out Dany's ruthlessness and saying they were signs of a budding tyrant when other "righteous" characters had done just as bad things in the past and no one bats an eye. I think the entire plot of Dany becoming the mad queen was rushed and not well executed. I'm sure George R.R. Martin will handle it much, much better.

  • colpul2
    colpul2 Month ago

    too bad the series turned to ass.

  • Mohammed Alshamekh
    Mohammed Alshamekh Month ago +4

    Let’s use clips of Danny without context and call her the mad queen! Next

  • Amanda Shen
    Amanda Shen Month ago +3

    This is exactly how I see Dany since the beginning. Never like her.

  • Silver Lady
    Silver Lady Month ago +2

    This video is idiotic and should have 0 likes.

  • Jake Casso
    Jake Casso Month ago +1

    not even close

  • Jane Austen
    Jane Austen Month ago

    I love this video sm!

  • Betssy Lopez
    Betssy Lopez Month ago +2

    their character arches were ruined in seasons 7 & 8. this video helps explain what d&d we’re trying to do, & maybe would’ve been able to with more time & better writing

  • Hana A
    Hana A Month ago +2

    I think you are putting meaning into shit writing. If GRRM ever finishes we might find out you're right with intent, but until that miracle happens Dany turned evil because Dumb and Dumber couldn't write a plot if their lives were on the line

  • Steph
    Steph Month ago

    Lena’s acting was stellar work.

  • FrenchFryKayak
    FrenchFryKayak Month ago +1

    just came to say LOL :P

  • Jarma
    Jarma Month ago +1

    Deep.
    I said from the start of the show that danis desire to rule was evil
    but I still call bullshit.
    she would NOT have done it
    if she was full of rage, she MIGHT have gone after Cersei after the bell rang
    she would NOT have sacrificed the innocents

  • Olga Efremov
    Olga Efremov Month ago

    Thank you! Amazing work it is. :)
    Daene always scared me at each of her evil reactions, even if she has a lovely face... It was pretty cruel to ask Jon bend the knee before offering her help in the war with Night King. Really?! The Throne is more important than the walking dead?! Or when she found out Jon is the true heir to the Throne, again - her reaction?!?!?! She became obsessed to get the toy - the throne! So, her choice was no surprise to me. She saw it from up in the sky on a dragon, everything was small to her.
    I think Ser Jorah was the one who would have "tamed" her so-to-say madness. Her punishments always were cruel, terrifyingly cruel. And I still appreciate her attempt to be kind, but Jon is the kind hearted one untill the end.

  • Frankie Fontecchio
    Frankie Fontecchio Month ago

    Dany going mad wasn't odd 4 the show because of who she is a TARGARYEN and because of who her father was the mad king

  • perman07
    perman07 Month ago +3

    This video blatantly ignores all the examples of Dany showing empathy and restraining herself from cruelty. The issue isn't that anyone doubts she had it in her based on her earlier showing of cruelty, the issue is it came out of nowhere without proper buildup.

  • Vivek C Nair
    Vivek C Nair Month ago +2

    This is just a load of nonsense!!
    She only said this after the episode was aired.

  • s
    s Month ago

    Joffrey and Viserys also shared a lot of similarities

  • Dammoh
    Dammoh Month ago

    what's the music from 6:00 please

  • Dammoh
    Dammoh Month ago

    Please can someone tell me what is the background music from 6:22 please please

  • Dammoh
    Dammoh Month ago

    dany isn't blond per se

  • Arielle Prinzing
    Arielle Prinzing Month ago

    I thought I'd heard it all but this video actually presented a new angle. Very well done, thank you!

  • D Will
    D Will Month ago +2

    meh too much of a stretch and you cant use season 6-8 and talk about what Martin meant