Game of Thrones: Why Daenerys Was Cersei All Along - Two Sides of the Same Queen

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  • Go to nordvpn.com/thetake and use code thetake to get 75% off a 3-year plan. Protect yourself online today! | As it turns out, Daenerys Targaryen and Cersei Lannister are two sides of the same queen all along, even if they start out essentially as opposites. The final showdown between these two queens has always been the endgame, and their conflict reveals the true message about Game of Thrones. If you like this video, subscribe to our channel or support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/thetake
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    • pplr1
      pplr1 16 days ago

      I have to call bs on a lot of things in this video. I watched the whole thing and it deserves a thumbs down by the end. I noted some reasons and about when they pop up in the video.

      The video seems to be confused by saying both do __ when “inverse” is the opposite. It starts recognizing their differences and then tries to pretend they are the same. Problem is that is not true.

      Daenerys freed many slaves, how many did Cersei?

      4:40-recognizes Daenerys freed people while Cersei oppressed.
      Also recognized that Daenerys chained her dragons out of concern for others while Cersei let Joffery run rampant.

      5:45 be like Daenerys try to reshape the world in a better way and “help those who have even less”

      5:58 Cersei “hurts others for the hell of it” and chooses not to help others.

      7:31-45 Cersei hates and fears the people

      8:40 Cersei threatens to burn cities


      9:35 video said “This is fire and blood music”, yet it ignores when Daenerys said the blood of her enemies “not the innocent”.

      10:00 video blames Daenerys for her dead baby by being too trusting, there is a big difference between too trusting and Cersei choosing to kill her son’s wife (resulting in the son’s suicide).

      10:10 video misrepresent’s Cersei’s letter upfront demand (and threatening?) and Daenerys more friendly letter-written by Tyrion (who wants help ending Cersei’s tyranny.) The video claims after the friendly letter Daenerys demands Jon bend the knee when he gets there and thus is supposedly more dishonest. Yet Daenerys-when Jon refuses to bend the knee-said he is a guest. Oh, and Tyrion-not Daenerys-wrote the letter, he tends to be nicer than Cersei. Actually they both tend to be nicer than Cersei.


      10:24 video wrongly claims Cersei wants less from Jon than Daenerys by supposedly only asking for neutrality. Yet this is a blatant lie. We learn afterwards that Cersei had made a plan beforehand with Euron to have Euron pretend he was fleeing when he was really getting mercenaries for Cersei. She never planned to help and the whole eventual agreement to send Lannister forces was an act and big lie. If anything Cersei was trying to cost Daenerys a possible ally since it was unlikely Jon would ever ally with her.


      10:50 the video shows Cersei saying she doesn’t care about checking her worst impulses or making the world a better place. It actually has gone back to recognizing Cersei.

      10:55 claims Daenerys’s attempts at compromise don’t go well so she goes fire and blood. Very misleading because Daenerys tried compromises and used fire and blood when those compromises were betrayed. Daenerys is not responsible for when others betray or try to attack her-they are. The video tries to say she is.

      11:50 self-centered world vision ignores that Daenerys built what she had but also tried to do it in a way that didn’t harm, even helped, the powerless. Remember season 4 when Daenerys had places to sleep and eat made for former slaves and planned to make them safe the minute she heard there was a problem. Very different than Cersei who would not care.

      12:09 Cersei talks about caring about her family yet she tried to have Tyrion killed-he is part of her family. This video is ignoring things here. Selective editing?

      12:29 The video looses its point when complaining about “medieval logic”. That is how society operated at the time. Neither Cersei nor Daenerys made that happen. And if complaining about them then complain about every member of a every noble family in the show. It is called a “social norm”.

      12:51 Daenerys’s supposed complex resulted in her telling someone she cared about not to give up but to try finding a cure-and he did. Thus she told him to save his life when he had already given up. Not a bad thing.

      13:01 Daenerys supposedly didn’t compromise?? She did that with Jon Snow in season 7 through most of the time he was her guest!! She did that in Meereen as well. This video is just wrong here-possibly dishonest.

      13:19 “Daenerys is ruthless like Cersei”. No. She is ruthless with her enemies, but not the innocent. If Cersei had dragons she would’ve let them eat innocent people across the countryside. Daenerys did not. Big false equivalence.


      13:20 She was talking to a guy, Varys, who had tried to undermine his prior leaders and thus didn’t trust him. When he told her just beforehand he would not give blind loyalty she accepted it. Requiring him to say directly if he thought she was failing the people to her face and how (shows she is willing to take criticism). This is both compromising and taking other people’s concerns into account. The opposite of what the video claimed earlier.

      13:33 video said they look like each other Cersei in black (or dark cloths) and with crown, Daenerys in light tan and no crown. Someone can see the video is wrong or lying here. Oh, and it is right before Cersei killed Missandei-who never hurt or enslaved anyone.

      13:36 Video said “Shared rage” when look on Daenerys’s face may be concern for Missandei. The video is wrong here.


      13:50 Video claimed Daenerys didn’t choose between her “selfish ambition” and her “liberator identity”. Yet the main reason she stayed in Meereen so long (where video shows her) is to protect the people she freed rather than leave to grab her birth kingdom and let the slavers regain control. She delayed her ambitions-that is making a choice. The video is lying here and similar can be said about the white walker army which she goes to fight and puts her war for the throne on hold to do.

      14:10 Cersei is shown using civilians as human shields. Daenerys didn’t ever do this. These are very different queens and the video is being deceptive.


      14:31 Daenerys saying “I will not let those I have freed slide back into chains.” Anyone see Cersei saying or trying to do that? Nope. Different people.

      15:44 We get the answer of D and D breaking Daenerys’s character to do a pre-selected plot point. This was not showing Daenerys but what D and D wanted her to do without providing good reasons for it.

      15:50 If Daenerys chose “violence” then why not go directly to the red keep and burn Cersei like she would an enemy? D and D chose to make Daenerys let Cersei almost get away in order to attack civilians. This is out of character for Daenerys in 2 big ways-her protection of the innocent and her fire for her enemies. This goes against 2 not just 1 aspect of Daenerys’s character.

      16:05 If Daenerys was punishing her enemies then why almost let Cersei get away? Cersei didn’t care about civilians so why burn them at all?

      16:52 If belonging to that blood line means you flip out and kill everyone if your friends aren’t around should we expect that to happen with Jon Snow? If the answer is no then just maybe we shouldn’t accept the character breaking relating to Daenerys from D and D either.

      17:02 repeating D and D’s weak excuses is not character development. Showing the death of someone she warned earlier that chose to pull a sword and threaten to kill her and her unborn child is not proving Daenerys is evil. This is a huge double standard. Just consider anyone in the whole series who would want someone that just threatened to murder them and their children dead-lets start with the Stark family. If they aren’t evil tyrants in the making than neither is Daenerys.

      17:25 If Daenerys’s friends and advisors are killed or go distant that isn’t usually Daenerys’s choice. Which means she had no choice and this was supposedly inevitable. So the video isn’t being straight with viewers on if this was going to happen or not.

      17:40. Video said “We always have a choice”, not if D and D choose to break characters and patterns of action to hit their preferred plot points. Lets let Daenerys character as it was during seasons 1-7 (season 8 was written to give excuses for this to happen, its been acknowledged that D and D had this event in mind and were trying to jump to it) make the decision on what happens with King’s Landing.. oh look no mass burning of civilians.

      18:00 She doesn’t become the “mad queen” because of her genes. Wasn’t the video just referring to her bloodline a couple of minutes earlier?? This is speaking out of both sides of its mouth.

      18:10 Correction.. She could’ve still been the ruler she wanted to be if D and D didn’t mess with her character in Season 8.

      Also if she decided to attack Kings Landing in season 7 then that would be choosing violence but a lot of her friends would still be alive after Cersei was dead, so the civilian population would probably be quite safe. I guess the real message is violence is only ok if your friends are around. Or maybe, just maybe, the video here is just trying to make excuses at this point.

    • algogy
      algogy Month ago

      They are not the same queen. Cersei is more reasonable, she kills her opponents, for revenge, for power. Her father killed for political reasons. Ramsey kills for fun. Dany? She kills for no reason whatsoever. They made her completely insane 'because blood ya know'.

    • loredana godorogea
      loredana godorogea Month ago +1

      I read the books and this is one things that all americans who never read russian literature will never gets(Martin Likes it). In War and Peace Lev Tolstoy make the oposite mirror personages which are put in same situation but act different. It's showed in book, when Deny gets some authority first thing she do is stop women being raped and tries to make them equal, while cercei always treat all women with disrespect .
      Also she always think what is best for her people, how much to stay in Vaes Toloro, where to go, she also performe all rituals when someone dies.
      When a handmaid please Deny, she reject it because she respect her and never use her as sex object. Cercei abduct women . When Deny becomes queen she carries for citizen, make rules, make audience, listen the needs of people, when Cercei gets power she start whoring, drinking and act like Robert.
      When Sickness death and War come to Mereen, Dany delivers food, wash the sick people, wash the bodies, make their funerar with a help of o few unsulied. What Cercei did when war, death, food crisis come to king's landing?
      Their are shape like opposite of each other not same personne.

    • Wolfgang Von Zubaz
      Wolfgang Von Zubaz Month ago +1

      Good analysis ... Dany dresses up her ambitions like a modern politician uses "humanitarian intervention" to rationalize destruction and "other" objectives ... Libya and Syria are good examples

    • Polo Ralph
      Polo Ralph Month ago

      Incredible video and incredible content yet again. Keep up the good work

  • TheGamingPanda
    TheGamingPanda 3 hours ago

    Daenerys isn't necessary for the show

  • TheGamingPanda
    TheGamingPanda 3 hours ago

    The truth is there both weak they are nothing without there family

  • Antony Andrewson

    I actually really like this. This is the best analysis i've seen and has actually kinda convinced me more towards the whole Mad Queen arc. Just wish it was executed better......

  • lifeishooey
    lifeishooey 3 days ago

    I don't buy it. Seriously? Dany was never anything like Cersei. Cersei was vindictive and manipulative from the beginning. Dany was a god person who sought only to frree everyone in bondage, even from Cersei. It was thru every fault of the showrunners that she suddenly, out of nowhere, becomes mad queen like in the last 2 episodes.

  • Temari TheBadass
    Temari TheBadass 3 days ago +1

    Maybe Dany is limited in her mind bcs her parents were brother and sister... Thats even worse than cersei.

  • antonio bentivoglio
    antonio bentivoglio 3 days ago

    I don't agree at all.
    Cersei has always wanted power for power. She's never shown affection or feelings for everyone else, excerpt herself and her children. She's just selfish, cruel and ambitious.
    On the other hand it's true that Daenerys proved to be ruthless against his enemies or those who wronged her, but she was also gentle, sensitive and compassionate.
    Many times she killed someone, of course, but someone who betrayed her, someone cruel, someone who wanted to kill her.
    Plus he didn't want just power for power like Cersei, she wanted power to make the world a better place. Before the shit of Season 8, she never TOUCHED AN INNOCENT. She freed hundreds of thousands of slaves, because of her own story she has always fought not to become was her predecessors were.
    And then season 8 destroyed her character at once.

  • Sophia Shakti
    Sophia Shakti 4 days ago

    What a wonderful attempt to call bad good and good bad. Tolerance, we are all one, no borders, etc. Rape is bad, but the rape by Muslim refugee is just misunderstanding. You purposely mix virgin queen with the mother queen philosophical polarities, NB being a mother to dragons isn't the same as your own child, it's only in modern feminist mind it's the same. Of course, it was Martin reasoning, he mixed up good and evil in his fantasy braking the ancient rules of driving men to transcend and reach the best in each of us. His story mixes everything, stating the fact of human degeneration.

  • vinnien
    vinnien 4 days ago

    Fucking stupid video. 2 very different characters. They both breathed air, so are they the same?

  • FaustusFBI 3760
    FaustusFBI 3760 4 days ago

    You cannot "cure" mental illness. It is a natural non-conformity to a highly engineered and man-made system. You must simply pay the their way and allow them their space and misfortune. These are lawsuits that belong to both no one and everyone. In any engineered system there will be those who don't humanly fit in. Why post this here? Does it matter?

  • Justin Kahal
    Justin Kahal 4 days ago

    This video just made me cringe super hard, and the only people who liked this vid are most likely people who don't follow the lore of the show/book very closely cause you'd could make the argument that danny was also trying to break the wheel

  • lordnate2000
    lordnate2000 5 days ago

    Who sat on the throne in the end didn't really matter. The whole story was about everyone squabbling over the throne while they ignored the real threat which is the White Walkers. GRRM said as much. The fact that everyone is debating the most about what happened in episodes 5 & 6 shows that D&D didn't portray the story properly. The battle against the Night King is viewed as a side story instead of the main story it was meant to be.

  • Tom Myers
    Tom Myers 6 days ago +3

    Why couldn't the dragon just fly over the town and kill Cersei?

  • Aika Papa
    Aika Papa 7 days ago

    Snow White was not so white after all. She was the Evil Queen ! Predatory Animals choose violence too, every time they feel the hunger for dominance and food, but I don't see that doing them any harm or killing them. On the contrary, it harms their prey. In the wild, the mosr powerful always prevails. NOTHING wrong with it. It is NATURAL. Human Morality is AGAINST the laws of nature. No, as a matter of fact, clinging to that hate and animalistic rage will NOT destroy us, if we DISREGARD stupid, melodramatic, human morals and sense of shame and guilt, and we instead reconnect to our TRUE nature which knows no fear of punishment from an invisible entity, or remorse. That is the real us, the untamed amoral beast, not the polished mask of civilization we all try to don.
    With hate, your Cersei !

  • John Braun
    John Braun 8 days ago

    It took the mad king 20 years to go mad...took Daenerys a couple episodes. The mad King never had the compassion Daenerys had either.

  • Priyesh Pal
    Priyesh Pal 8 days ago

    Totally disagree with this video, sorry to say that.

  • aaishasmusic1963
    aaishasmusic1963 9 days ago

    Is the show are good as this review? I loved the review.

  • Tsar Alester
    Tsar Alester 10 days ago

    You see? Danaerys did deserve to die

    • holamoco17
      holamoco17 4 days ago

      @Tsar Alester They all become the same.

    • Tsar Alester
      Tsar Alester 4 days ago

      @holamoco17 bran

    • holamoco17
      holamoco17 5 days ago

      If Dany deserved to die then all deserve to die. There aren't any innocent rulers.

  • Fuzzy Dunlop
    Fuzzy Dunlop 10 days ago

    Fuck, I wish Viserys had lived. At least he was FUN.

  • Mur'La Aurelius
    Mur'La Aurelius 10 days ago

    Absolutely impossible simply because unlike Cersei, Dany actually had a few brain cells working together. Cersei clearly had a functional IQ of like, two.

  • anonymous nation
    anonymous nation 11 days ago

    Daenerys is no longer an attraction to me after seeing these parallels and all other stuff in season 8.... how is it possible for a leader to lose her claims this quickly....she had other choices.....

  • Corinna Leppin
    Corinna Leppin 12 days ago

    Cousin marriage is not incest.

  • carole mcphee
    carole mcphee 14 days ago

    i think you are wrong about the deaths of their children, cersei directly/indirectly was the cause of death for all three of her kids. joffrie died because she raised a tyrant brat who delighted in the pain of others. myrcella died because of her vendetta against tyrion who was not responsible for the death of their mother, and tommen killed himself after seeing his wife murdered by cersei. she is essentially her own worst enemy. while daenerys wasn't responsible for the death of her dragons, they all died as a consequence of her enemies. that ending scene with cersei doesnt show her vulnerability, but shows her selfishness, she doesnt care for her people, she purposely puts them in harms way, but faced with her own death she appeals to jaimes love for her and their child, but in reality she only cares for herself, which is shown in the fact that she is only too happy to pawn off another one of jaime's children as another mans. saying all this, i think you are right about everything else lol.

  • David
    David 14 days ago +1

    Great analysis! I think you could make a similair video about Jon and Jaime. They're opposites, but also have a lot in common:
    1. They both served in a brotherhood in which the members are sworn for life and are forbidden from owning land, taking wives, or fathering children: Jaime served the Kingsguard and Jon the Night's watch;
    2. When they got the chance they both refused a lord/kingship;
    3. Both had a incesteous relationship;
    4. Jaime is a Kingslayer for killing his king Aerys II and Jon is a Queenslayer for killing his queen and lover Daenerys

  • Michael Woodard
    Michael Woodard 15 days ago

    This is excellent reading of the story but one issue being the series omitted the character Young Griff who is like to be Dany’s foil in Kings Landing in the books end game.

  • pplr1
    pplr1 16 days ago +1

    I have to call bs on a lot of things in this video. I watched the whole thing and it deserves a thumbs down by the end. I noted some reasons and about when they pop up in the video.

    The video seems to be confused by saying both do __ when “inverse” is the opposite. It starts recognizing their differences and then tries to pretend they are the same. Problem is that is not true.

    Daenerys freed many slaves, how many did Cersei?

    4:40-recognizes Daenerys freed people while Cersei oppressed.
    Also recognized that Daenerys chained her dragons out of concern for others while Cersei let Joffery run rampant.

    5:45 be like Daenerys try to reshape the world in a better way and “help those who have even less”

    5:58 Cersei “hurts others for the hell of it” and chooses not to help others.

    7:31-45 Cersei hates and fears the people

    8:40 Cersei threatens to burn cities


    9:35 video said “This is fire and blood music”, yet it ignores when Daenerys said the blood of her enemies “not the innocent”.

    10:00 video blames Daenerys for her dead baby by being too trusting, there is a big difference between too trusting and Cersei choosing to kill her son’s wife (resulting in the son’s suicide).

    10:10 video misrepresent’s Cersei’s letter upfront demand (and threatening?) and Daenerys more friendly letter-written by Tyrion (who wants help ending Cersei’s tyranny.) The video claims after the friendly letter Daenerys demands Jon bend the knee when he gets there and thus is supposedly more dishonest. Yet Daenerys-when Jon refuses to bend the knee-said he is a guest. Oh, and Tyrion-not Daenerys-wrote the letter, he tends to be nicer than Cersei. Actually they both tend to be nicer than Cersei.


    10:24 video wrongly claims Cersei wants less from Jon than Daenerys by supposedly only asking for neutrality. Yet this is a blatant lie. We learn afterwards that Cersei had made a plan beforehand with Euron to have Euron pretend he was fleeing when he was really getting mercenaries for Cersei. She never planned to help and the whole eventual agreement to send Lannister forces was an act and big lie. If anything Cersei was trying to cost Daenerys a possible ally since it was unlikely Jon would ever ally with her.


    10:50 the video shows Cersei saying she doesn’t care about checking her worst impulses or making the world a better place. It actually has gone back to recognizing Cersei.

    10:55 claims Daenerys’s attempts at compromise don’t go well so she goes fire and blood. Very misleading because Daenerys tried compromises and used fire and blood when those compromises were betrayed. Daenerys is not responsible for when others betray or try to attack her-they are. The video tries to say she is.

    11:50 self-centered world vision ignores that Daenerys built what she had but also tried to do it in a way that didn’t harm, even helped, the powerless. Remember season 4 when Daenerys had places to sleep and eat made for former slaves and planned to make them safe the minute she heard there was a problem. Very different than Cersei who would not care.

    12:09 Cersei talks about caring about her family yet she tried to have Tyrion killed-he is part of her family. This video is ignoring things here. Selective editing?

    12:29 The video looses its point when complaining about “medieval logic”. That is how society operated at the time. Neither Cersei nor Daenerys made that happen. And if complaining about them then complain about every member of a every noble family in the show. It is called a “social norm”.

    12:51 Daenerys’s supposed complex resulted in her telling someone she cared about not to give up but to try finding a cure-and he did. Thus she told him to save his life when he had already given up. Not a bad thing.

    13:01 Daenerys supposedly didn’t compromise?? She did that with Jon Snow in season 7 through most of the time he was her guest!! She did that in Meereen as well. This video is just wrong here-possibly dishonest.

    13:19 “Daenerys is ruthless like Cersei”. No. She is ruthless with her enemies, but not the innocent. If Cersei had dragons she would’ve let them eat innocent people across the countryside. Daenerys did not. Big false equivalence.


    13:20 She was talking to a guy, Varys, who had tried to undermine his prior leaders and thus didn’t trust him. When he told her just beforehand he would not give blind loyalty she accepted it. Requiring him to say directly if he thought she was failing the people to her face and how (shows she is willing to take criticism). This is both compromising and taking other people’s concerns into account. The opposite of what the video claimed earlier.

    13:33 video said they look like each other Cersei in black (or dark cloths) and with crown, Daenerys in light tan and no crown. Someone can see the video is wrong or lying here. Oh, and it is right before Cersei killed Missandei-who never hurt or enslaved anyone.

    13:36 Video said “Shared rage” when look on Daenerys’s face may be concern for Missandei. The video is wrong here.


    13:50 Video claimed Daenerys didn’t choose between her “selfish ambition” and her “liberator identity”. Yet the main reason she stayed in Meereen so long (where video shows her) is to protect the people she freed rather than leave to grab her birth kingdom and let the slavers regain control. She delayed her ambitions-that is making a choice. The video is lying here and similar can be said about the white walker army which she goes to fight and puts her war for the throne on hold to do.

    14:10 Cersei is shown using civilians as human shields. Daenerys didn’t ever do this. These are very different queens and the video is being deceptive.


    14:31 Daenerys saying “I will not let those I have freed slide back into chains.” Anyone see Cersei saying or trying to do that? Nope. Different people.

    15:44 We get the answer of D and D breaking Daenerys’s character to do a pre-selected plot point. This was not showing Daenerys but what D and D wanted her to do without providing good reasons for it.

    15:50 If Daenerys chose “violence” then why not go directly to the red keep and burn Cersei like she would an enemy? D and D chose to make Daenerys let Cersei almost get away in order to attack civilians. This is out of character for Daenerys in 2 big ways-her protection of the innocent and her fire for her enemies. This goes against 2 not just 1 aspect of Daenerys’s character.

    16:05 If Daenerys was punishing her enemies then why almost let Cersei get away? Cersei didn’t care about civilians so why burn them at all?

    16:52 If belonging to that blood line means you flip out and kill everyone if your friends aren’t around should we expect that to happen with Jon Snow? If the answer is no then just maybe we shouldn’t accept the character breaking relating to Daenerys from D and D either.

    17:02 repeating D and D’s weak excuses is not character development. Showing the death of someone she warned earlier that chose to pull a sword and threaten to kill her and her unborn child is not proving Daenerys is evil. This is a huge double standard. Just consider anyone in the whole series who would want someone that just threatened to murder them and their children dead-lets start with the Stark family. If they aren’t evil tyrants in the making than neither is Daenerys.

    17:25 If Daenerys’s friends and advisors are killed or go distant that isn’t usually Daenerys’s choice. Which means she had no choice and this was supposedly inevitable. So the video isn’t being straight with viewers on if this was going to happen or not.

    17:40. Video said “We always have a choice”, not if D and D choose to break characters and patterns of action to hit their preferred plot points. Lets let Daenerys character as it was during seasons 1-7 (season 8 was written to give excuses for this to happen, its been acknowledged that D and D had this event in mind and were trying to jump to it) make the decision on what happens with King’s Landing.. oh look no mass burning of civilians.

    18:00 She doesn’t become the “mad queen” because of her genes. Wasn’t the video just referring to her bloodline a couple of minutes earlier?? This is speaking out of both sides of its mouth.

    18:10 Correction.. She could’ve still been the ruler she wanted to be if D and D didn’t mess with her character in Season 8.

    Also if she decided to attack Kings Landing in season 7 then that would be choosing violence but a lot of her friends would still be alive after Cersei was dead, so the civilian population would probably be quite safe. I guess the real message is violence is only ok if your friends are around. Or maybe, just maybe, the video here is just trying to make excuses at this point.

  • Gab MSouza
    Gab MSouza 16 days ago

    Finally someone who can see things clearly!

  • sabo tajé
    sabo tajé 16 days ago

    Cersei's two children were killed, as well as children of Dayeneris.
    And they both had their last alive child flying away, both of them "flew" from window
    I never thought about it...

  • bc bc
    bc bc 17 days ago

    I’d like to say I’ve been making this argument for a long time!

  • Miranda Summerset
    Miranda Summerset 17 days ago +3

    She was freeing slaves, creating armies, chosen by the people
    That's not cersei.....

    • Tanty Magdalena
      Tanty Magdalena 16 days ago +1

      Yes... Totally different. More respect for Mother of Dragons

  • Salvatore Escoti
    Salvatore Escoti 17 days ago

    Brother and Sister is much more incest than Cousins!

  • RiRi HateBunny87
    RiRi HateBunny87 17 days ago

    At 14:47 , who the F*ck is that? An Arya Stark body double? Sure as hell doesn’t look like Maisie Williams 😕

  • s
    s 17 days ago

    The fact that they had less than 5 minutes of dialogue together for the entirety of the show is appalling

  • Navin Israni
    Navin Israni 17 days ago

    Such a beautifully written video!

  • Juliabel GA Peach
    Juliabel GA Peach 17 days ago

    I've always seen Dany as an anti-hero. On one hand she had noble and compassionate intentions. On the other hand she dealt a cruel hand to her enemies. I thought her relationship with Jon Snow was very self serving, and manipulative.

  • star gazer
    star gazer 19 days ago

    They're not both blond Daenerys hair is white

  • Sharon Riddick Groppi
    Sharon Riddick Groppi 19 days ago +1

    I know pretty well, by now, that I have always been in the minority, but I have never liked Daenerys and I have always known that not only she’s not that different from Cersei...she fully always had the potential to become way worse then her, in the end. I have never quite understood all the blind admiration for her, since I could always sense something way dirtier and darker, beneath the exterior. It was just a mask. The finale made total sense to me (though I had to wait for her demise for 8 seasons, but it was worth the wait). In a way, I have always preferred Cersei between the two, because at least, with Cersei, you knew exactly what you were getting, while Daenerys was more of an unclear question mark - until she took the mask off. And no, I’m not a Daenerys hater...I just always had a clear feeling she would end being the ultimate villain. It was there all along, since season 1. Great build up of a character, by the way...and brilliant video ☺️

  • Misha Misha
    Misha Misha 19 days ago

    both hairstyles 😂😂😂

  • Dhyan Jay
    Dhyan Jay 19 days ago

    I m suppressing my impulse to like this video because of this Nerd vpn shit

  • Jennifer Brewer
    Jennifer Brewer 19 days ago

    I would've liked to see a Kill Bill Vol. 1-style sword duel to the death between Cersei and Daenerys.

  • Mahrukh Waqar
    Mahrukh Waqar 19 days ago

    Brilliant

  • V Deo
    V Deo 19 days ago

    This reminds me of my mom and grandmother

  • josski32
    josski32 19 days ago +4

    its interesting to me that Dany ended up inflicting so much more suffering on people than cersei ever did. I feel like in some way because she believed in her greatness and goodness it enabled her to do something like that. and somehow I hate her more for it. even though cersei was an absolute witch the whole 8 seasons, she had the redeeming quality of being honest and knowing what was important to her. she kind of had a "this is what Im like and I don't care what anyone thinks" kind of attitude. whereas daenerys had lofty ideals but was not grounded and was able to trick everyone, even herself, into thinking she had the people's best interests at heart.

  • Michael Rauch
    Michael Rauch 20 days ago

    I like the facts a Danny was never really a good person. as you watch this show people were so obsessed with a do the Denny had to be the hero they never realize that she was actually kind of a villain. Or at least not a hero she was definitely like seriously. This man a really good point on that and that's why I really hurt people's feelings so much last season the other faults aside. People could not help but see her the hero when she really was no different than cersei.

  • Michael Rauch
    Michael Rauch 20 days ago

    Cersei isn't bright.... Otherwise truth.

  • Kolin Martz
    Kolin Martz 20 days ago +1

    Oh no. Are we actually doing this? What’s scarier than a Targaryen choosing violence? Everyone justifying bad writing.

  • Kolin Martz
    Kolin Martz 20 days ago

    Danny is just “one bad day” away I tot urning into Cersei.

  • Kolin Martz
    Kolin Martz 20 days ago

    I think the word you’re looking for is a foil

  • Helena Bhattarai
    Helena Bhattarai 20 days ago

    I think the person who made it got nothing better to do ....

  • Rick The Explorer™
    Rick The Explorer™ 20 days ago

    Dany said Jon was too little for her. That means she is genocidal, Eugenic. If a woman like that takes power, people die.

    It's only irony that Dany got killed by the man who was too short for her. I want to put a dagger in every woman who thinks like that. When a Eugenic Female gets power - people will die.

    Remember that. And take away from my comment what you will.

  • Laura Zaetz
    Laura Zaetz 20 days ago

    The line between role model and entitled diva is a fine line. It's the reason Cardi B has fans.

  • Griffly Art
    Griffly Art 20 days ago

    This makes me feel better about the last season feeling rushed. However they did make it seem like she just suddenly snapped and “went mad”, not that it was a decision. But seeing this has helped me. Thank you

    • Alexander Schmall
      Alexander Schmall 10 days ago

      Last season was rushed but the evidence was there all along.
      When she saved the lamb girls from being raped, she tells Mormont "I do not have a gentle heart"

  • ckaz007
    ckaz007 20 days ago +1

    So in other words, women are too emotionally unstable to be effective rulers. Duly noted, signed the Men of the World.

  • vin 950
    vin 950 20 days ago +1

    no way, Cersei wasn't as evil. She didn't murder an entire city and burn children alive.

    • Hitsugix
      Hitsugix 19 days ago

      Well, I'm pretty sure when she blew up the Sept of Baelor there were many innocent people including children in the buildings surrounding it who died and burned alive and she didn't give a damn about it.

  • Jhasen
    Jhasen 20 days ago

    Basically people are hypocrits and Dany is an asshole

  • Ikea Lamp
    Ikea Lamp 20 days ago

    Another similarity.... they both were advised by tyrion

  • vidaldiddy
    vidaldiddy 20 days ago

    This is amazing I never thought about it like that man I am woke now. But season 8 was still rushed you guys took your time to explain showing scenes and comparing the two.

  • Panagiotis Papatheodorou
    Panagiotis Papatheodorou 20 days ago +33

    The issue isn’t the plot points. The issue is the execution. Imagine if the Red Wedding happened and we had no build up.

    • Alexander Schmall
      Alexander Schmall 10 days ago

      @Joe Tyrant remember how turned on she got when Drogo was talking all that shit?

    • Joe Tyrant
      Joe Tyrant 15 days ago

      There was buildup though. Since the first season. Her main ambitions have always been to kill the men in iron suits and their stone houses. To lay waste to her enemies who have wronged her. (Westerosi people, especially houses Lannister,Stark,Baratheon). To take what is hers (iron throne) through fire and blood.
      The rest is all political moves to gain the power to ultimately attain her main ambitions.

  • Amadeus
    Amadeus 20 days ago

    Until Daenarys burnt King's Landing she was making the world a better place and is just as responsible for saving the world as Bran, Jon, Arya, their armies and the Knights of the Vale. Cersei was just trouble the entire time.

  • Evil Queen
    Evil Queen 20 days ago

    Idiotic

  • Ally Jay
    Ally Jay 20 days ago

    I never realized the inverse similarities between them but I knew from the beginning Dany would turn out to be a monster bc she so deeply believed it was her Divine right to rule.

  • hawksasuke97
    hawksasuke97 20 days ago

    Yeah no, being power hungry and being insane are two completely different things. Dany was *never* the kind of person to go around burning kids alive before this crap and there was no justification for turning her into someone who does in a matter of 6 episodes.
    What culminated in the burning of King’s Landing’s was not Dany’s approach to taking the throne, but her listening to the ideals of naively pacifistic idiots who kept trying to shove their Mary Sue crap down her throat and screwed her over at every turn. Had she just trusted her own instincts and attacked King’s Landing when she wanted to after the Tyrells fell, she would have had no reason to snap after the bells rung because practically all the people she lost would still be alive right now. *Loss* is what causes her to deteriorate and anybody paying attention to her mental and physical transformation upon each loved one’s death could put that together.
    A tyrant does not lock her dragons away when they kill children. A tyrant does not free slaves. Even when Jorah explicitly told her that going out of her way to free the slaves would not get her any closer to the throne, she still did it. A tyrant does not wait on over 200 supplicants a day to resolve their problems with solutions other than murder or oppression. A tyrant does not take advise from advisors. Hell, ironically, her not being a tyrant and listening to Mary Sues is what ultimately screwed her over in the end. Listening to the idiots living in La La Land who refused to see the world for what it is and people for what they are and that kept trying to impose their naively pacifistic ideals down her were the root of her problems. She should have just trusted her own instincts.
    If she was as power hungry as people so desperately try to paint her, she would have let Jon die after finding out he had the stronger claim to the throne. She would not have stayed in Slaver’s Bay knowing full-well it would not get her any closer to what she ultimately wanted. She would not have sacrificed the power her dragons gave her because she knew that power was not worth the lives of children being endangered by them. And any fool who confuses brutality with insanity are the ones that haven’t been paying attention. Might as well run around calling Tywin Lannister the Mad Hand of the King by that dumb logic.

  • M Sammy
    M Sammy 20 days ago

    Great analysis!

  • Loomie 12
    Loomie 12 20 days ago +1

    Please make one about sansa stark

  • TLoula MacCrue
    TLoula MacCrue 20 days ago +1

    The sad thing is that D&D should have explained it through their writing. Not explaing it off camera . Explaining off camera is such a cop out . Then why even have a script if everything is just going to be explained "off camera" . We wanted to see it unfold through the actors telling the story. That's how it's usually done. That's with difference between being an ok writer who will eventually not be hired becauze of lack of talent or laziness. Or a great writer who takes pride in their work to the very end

  • S. Eric Ruth
    S. Eric Ruth 20 days ago

    Wow! I never really noticed these uncanny similarities...

  • Not it dude
    Not it dude 21 day ago

    RIP Daenerys

  • MrZylia
    MrZylia 21 day ago +15

    Witch to Cersei: You will be replaced by a younger and more beautiful queen.
    Cersei to all Women she encounters: I'll kill you.

    Witch's face when Brom becomes King: (͡ ͡° ͜ つ ͡͡°)

  • Isabel Knight-Inman
    Isabel Knight-Inman 21 day ago

    So basically Drogon's going to kill himself like Thommen :(

  • Brianna Weeks
    Brianna Weeks 21 day ago

    I thought a lot of this but didn’t catch the mirror metaphor with Cersei. So good and great analysis!

  • glizta42
    glizta42 21 day ago +1

    Great video! I always felt Dany was trouble and unhinged. Tyrion was right when he said he was a fool to believe he could manage her.

  • glizta42
    glizta42 21 day ago +4

    Now compare them to Sansa who has been brutally treated and says “I may be slow but I learn”

  • Michael Carnevale
    Michael Carnevale 21 day ago

    great analysis but season 8 failed to make this comparison interesting unfortunately

  • Şukufe Kıllıbacak

    what is GoT's message?What has changed at the end?Bran is King sansa is queen in the north if good leaders could stop this blodshed Ned Stark or Rob Stark would win. It is not about one person it is about political system.With this feudal landlords and absolute monarchy game of thrones wont end.Cersei goes Danny comes Dany goes Bran comes it wont change.There should be only one message in this show's ending:If u are demigod if u are 3 eyed raven u can do whatever u can.Great message i cant believe i watched this shit show from the very beginning SHAME!And i wont buy grrm's new books without learning the end.I dont give a flying fuck about Dany or Cersei or Ned or anyone else

  • marcie Ryan
    marcie Ryan 21 day ago

    Interesting... now I need to watch from season 1 again.

  • Lorraine Roberts
    Lorraine Roberts 21 day ago

    The talk it's so plain an obvious that your team Cersei and you don't like Daenerys Targaryen crap video But you fail to make one certain point in your argument John has more reason to side with Daenerys then with Cersei Lannister are you forgetting through the whole entire series the Cersei and Tywin Lannister is responsible for the Starks death and losing wintefull there home or did you forget about that factor in your anti Daenerys video You never really payed close attention to the hole the TV series if you open your eyes and watch very, episode closely you would know for a fact Cersei Lannister has always been pure evil and Daenerys Targaryen has not been evil Daenerys Targaryen freed slaves from slaver's Bay she helped the poor Cersei Lannister on the other hand killed Robert Baratheon raised her evil son to murder Ned stark she has always has been evil and cruel and hateful and Daenerys Targaryen became the mad queen in the last episode Benioff and Wiess the dumber and dumber writers of Game of Thrones only turned her evil in the second last episode because they needed to turn her be the mad Queen evil in order for John to killer her to take the throne for Brian and the broken to become King are you not listening to how everyone's complaining how the last season ended one of the main complaints is Daenerys Targaryen been turn evil her character turn evil just to fulfill the end

  • #DRW
    #DRW 21 day ago

    That's why You really had a NIGHT KING who represents Death is all of us
    He should have completed the Conquer and vanish into the nature after Humans all gone

    (Unfortunately stupidity of WB,TIme Warner,HBO CEOs lead to that same Queen dead and also the NIGHT KING)

  • MuscleTrucker
    MuscleTrucker 21 day ago

    Not really.

  • Harlow Rodriguez
    Harlow Rodriguez 21 day ago +4

    Dany became the queen she said she would never become.

  • ramathorn1982
    ramathorn1982 21 day ago

    Honestly never made the connection...

  • Trin Murray
    Trin Murray 22 days ago

    At 9:00 it kinda seems like Emilia forgot her line there....

  • Ó Slattarra
    Ó Slattarra 22 days ago

    "Anyone who is not us is the enemy."

    Every co-dependent narcissistic mother that ever lived.

    • hawksasuke97
      hawksasuke97 20 days ago

      More like every mother who was told a prophecy of doom that practically stated the universe was out to get her and her children on top of being raised by a father who taught her to trust, and I quote, “[themselves] alone”

  • Chelsie Chambers
    Chelsie Chambers 22 days ago

    This was FASCINATING!!

  • Griever
    Griever 22 days ago

    God no. Get ouf of the dumbster searching for last scrabs of hope at the bottom. Have some selfrespect, boi. It's over. And it was a character massacre caused by a rushed season and lazy writting.

    • Zara Orte
      Zara Orte 21 day ago

      Not s 1 2 3 4 5 and 6 and the vid is mostly about martin's writing....

  • alfina sw
    alfina sw 22 days ago

    Poor my dany

  • antonio bentivoglio
    antonio bentivoglio 22 days ago

    I don't agree at all!
    There's a huge difference between Cersei and Daenerys. (especially before season 8).
    Cersei doesn't give a shit about everyone despite her children, she hates folks, she's totally selfish and she wants power for power.
    Daenerys (before S8 shit) is ruthless and fierce but only against her enemies. Even when she crucifies the masters or burn people, she does so according to her sense of justice, not because she takes pleasure from it.
    But on the other hand she's always shown great empathy, mercy, affection towards underdogs and common people.
    She doesn't want power for power, she wants power to make the world a better place.

  • SkreltNL
    SkreltNL 22 days ago

    Could you stop inventing shit where there is non? If you want this stuff to happen write your own book. It is, and will never be, part of the show. D&D ruined it.

    This theory might be true in the books but it needs more story telling. What was seen in the show was bad and way to short timewise.

  • Iulia Țvigun
    Iulia Țvigun 22 days ago +1

    Where I have I been? Why I haven't noticed all of this?

  • Drogon Dracarys
    Drogon Dracarys 22 days ago

    its like comparing devil to angel

  • Drogon Dracarys
    Drogon Dracarys 22 days ago

    so stupid and not true ...

  • Epi Stemix
    Epi Stemix 22 days ago +2

    Funny how Daenerys ended portrayed mad when she had so much trust and love shown to her a few episodes earlier of the finale, while Cersei is clearly the opposite : Portrayed as a humanized desperate pregnant woman loosing her composure in the arms of her brother trying to protect her from total despair after she showed so much ruthlessness, paranoia and madness during the past seasons until episode 5
    Love that part even if 4,5,6 were poorly written and rushed so much 😔

  • Victoria A Cruz
    Victoria A Cruz 22 days ago

    I see this but 8th season was flat... also Danny and John story mirror each other

  • Gdalf Gaming
    Gdalf Gaming 22 days ago

    Intriguing concept.

    Well made video.

    But no... How dare you compare our one true queen Daenarys to...... that.

  • chanel henderson
    chanel henderson 22 days ago

    Totally awesome video

  • Danite Ghost
    Danite Ghost 23 days ago

    I think the main problem was that Dany should have seen her actions as necessary but heartbreaking. She should have been in a state of absolute sorrow, similar to God Emprah from 40k. This is the feeling I got from her when Vicerys died. Instead she acted like she had suddenly become her father.

  • Sandor Enckell
    Sandor Enckell 23 days ago

    I have to say this was an amazing analysis. I had noticed some similarities, but those I had made the connections with house Lannister and house Targaryen instead of Cersei and Dany.

  • evileyez504
    evileyez504 23 days ago

    Daenerys also parallels Jon in the story, both of them do the same versions of the same thing until Season 8

  • Jasmine B
    Jasmine B 23 days ago +4

    I saw this from the very damn beginning. When I told the squad they said I was mad! I feel vindicated.

    • Sharon Riddick Groppi
      Sharon Riddick Groppi 19 days ago

      Yep, me too. I have been saying that since season 1 and yet no one would get it (or should I say “would WANT to get it). You are not alone 😉

  • Evan Cope
    Evan Cope 24 days ago +1

    This episode didn’t age well after the bells

  • Derva Kommt von hinten

    danny was always annoying, and in the end unrealistic