Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

  • Published on Oct 8, 2019
  • Arthur Fleck's biggest joke just might be the one he pulled on you. Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth about the story being presented. In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.
    Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality. The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.
    At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers. As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't get the joke. According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true nature of the story that just unfolded. He explained,
    "That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely. There are different laughs in the movie. There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh. But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh in the movie."
    Why is that, exactly? Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience. Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed 1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers] it to be multiple choice." The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is. Phillips said,
    "There are lots of ways you could look at this movie. You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is. But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story. The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker.'"
    Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out. He said,
    "Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker. You don't really know. His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.' There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."
    Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward narrative, but as a series of suggestions. Keep watching the video to see that the Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene!
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  • Looper
    Looper  7 days ago +1217

    How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

    • John Galt
      John Galt 15 hours ago

      for all intents for the purposes of the character, EVERYTHING happened, if only in his mind.

    • slimturnpike
      slimturnpike 20 hours ago

      None of it. He's in the asylum the whole time.

    • dasein
      dasein 22 hours ago

      @Joseph Bernard interesting points. Anyhow, Arthur would not make sense as Batman's nemesis.

    • dasein
      dasein 22 hours ago +1

      @Paranoid0147 good points but if the riots didn't happen, then Thomas and Martha Wayne weren't killed, and Bruce wasn't orphaned. Arthur had to inspire the riots and they had to really happen.

    • dasein
      dasein 22 hours ago

      @Tyler Frederick good point

  • J2x
    J2x 56 minutes ago

    So we would be getting another actor playing joker? When this man did an awesome job! Smh. That’ll be a L

  • C
    C Hour ago

    I’ve got a theory that the Joker is actually Bruce Wayne’s heart / soul. Everything that the Joker does is actually an expression of Bruce Wayne’s changing feelings towards his Father. Bruce’s desire to bring joy and laughter to his Father (his whole world at that point/as a kid). When Joker came to visit his home. That was Bruce’s attempt to bring joy and laughter into the family home. But his Father didn’t allow joy and laughter or joking in his home. A child is meant to bring their parents joy. Joke around with them together. But when joker (Bruce’s Heart) confronts Thomas in the bathroom, Thomas rejects ‘Bruce’s (up until then) hidden desire to connect with him on that level permanently. From that point on, Bruce became his Fathers enemy in his heart (‘you don’t want to Joke with me? I’ll make you joke with me!?!’) .. and he believed in his heart he wanted to kill his Father / parents. Tear down everything his father valued above himself.
    But that last scene was where Joker (taking the viewpoint that he is Bruce’s heart) has a sense of relief that the people who prevented him from laughing / joking were no longer able to do so.. dead. but he would never be able to joke freely again. As he is trapped in shame (the asylum)
    This is why Batman is ‘so serious’.
    He once wanted to bring joy and laughter to the world (his fathers world), but now that childhood dream is gone. An impossibility.
    The ironic laugh in the end in the white room was that he realized that he didn’t truly want to kill his father but kill himself. And failed to accomplish this. He instead only managed to kill his own innocent + pure dream of making his Father laugh. Connect with him on a deeper emotional / personal level. Not just be a symbol of his social status / an appendage.
    So the battle between Batman and Joker from here on in in the story universe is that Joker is Batman’s suicidal ideation. His desire to kill himself. End his own life that he must battle with daily.

  • Thomas Pålsson
    Thomas Pålsson Hour ago

    A story that's essantially entirely open for interpretation is not a story at all. It's just verbal fragments bereft of any real value.
    Hack writing.

  • Calvin Tai
    Calvin Tai 2 hours ago

    When he said those words on Murray's talk show, I got mad chills. It's so true.

  • Mr.VelociDeltaDerp
    Mr.VelociDeltaDerp 3 hours ago

    Damn, I really want this movie's Joker to be the actual Joker that faces off with Batman! I don't care how, I just wanna! This Joker has so much potential, from what I'm getting from the movie, so if he doesn't live up to it at the end, if the Joker that faces off with Batman is just some 'fanboy' of this Joker, then I'm done, man!

  • Cata Tonic
    Cata Tonic 3 hours ago

    This movie is defined by one simple point - Psychopathy is no joke.

    Art? Depth? Layers?... nah!
    Garbage?... yes!

  • Cata Tonic
    Cata Tonic 3 hours ago

    So basically this wasnt a story, it was art. Lmao i'd hang myself if i couldnt tell a decent story while having a college education. Its like having an art degree and making stick figure murals.

  • nycmanowar
    nycmanowar 3 hours ago

    If they did want to do it older Joker and younger Batman could Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker. Instead of, No Luke..I am your could be, Brucie, I'm your brother. (He may or may not's a good plot twist). Could be a reason why Joker doesn't really want to kill Batman..but then, Joker would have to know Batman is Bruce Wayne at some point

  • Darren Frey
    Darren Frey 4 hours ago

    Has anyone ever seen the fan film called Joker Rising that came out about 5 or 6 years ago? Being a fan film, obviously it isn't over the top on a budget or actors or anything like that, but for what it is, I loved it and while there is a glimpse of Batman, the story is entirely about how the Joker becomes the Joker. I love that they are focusing on him considering he is just as popular as Batman is.

  • Preston  Sturgis
    Preston Sturgis 4 hours ago

    Only Dceu would be stupid enough to not build off of they're only critical and box office success since the Dark Knight rises. Yeah Wonder woman was good but I think it's worth it to kill it off if it means we can get a new batman

  • DVD Video
    DVD Video 6 hours ago

    In my opinion joker is good and the world is evil

  • H.A.K
    H.A.K 7 hours ago

    The psychiatrist looked awfully calm when talking to Arthur. It must be all in his head. xD

  • Cesare
    Cesare 7 hours ago

    The truth is: we dont really care, we dont want to hear that it was just in his head or that it was real, the most important thing is the message " we are all clowns". Ahahahahahahahaha

  • M3nta
    M3nta 7 hours ago +1

    i want Joaquin to be the joker.
    omfg if it will be someone else im gonna crack.
    please oh please he was so good dont ruin it for me.

  • Phantom1999
    Phantom1999 7 hours ago

    I want this joker to uo against batman.. this is the most fucked up down to earth joker ever.. love Phoenix

  • John Platte
    John Platte 8 hours ago

    ...Why so serious?

  • Milan
    Milan 9 hours ago

    I think it was real because Wayne is murdered here and that thing happened in lets say all Batman movies. I'v just cant accept that its not real because a lot of things happened.

  • RXI 6375
    RXI 6375 9 hours ago

    Most of DC comic villains are more human. Marvels is just bullshit aliens from nowhere.

  • Duende Official
    Duende Official 9 hours ago

    If they make a sequel they should add Batman but in a similar way the played with Joker. Maybe he would be a figment of Joker's imagination, or another personality of the Joker or something like that. I really liked the psychological way they depicted Joker and not just a villain in a comic book. This is much deeper, more exciting and interesting because you feel it might just be real.

  • Gypsy Queen
    Gypsy Queen 9 hours ago

    Joker is real to me.....that's the beauty of the movie you see whats in your head

  • Anastasia styles
    Anastasia styles 10 hours ago

    I really dont wanna believe that he imagined everything...Its even more sad

  • Terror Of Death
    Terror Of Death 10 hours ago

    I think he died in the fridge.

  • alzauri fatahillah
    alzauri fatahillah 10 hours ago

    The theory that "Joachin" Joker is only an inspiration for the real Joker kinda makes sense. He has ignited the clowns (criminal community) in which from the group then aroused the real Joker. Arthur Fleck interacted with Bruce Wayne when Bruce Wayne still a kid. If This Joker is real Joker, in the future he must be addressing Batman some clue about their interaction in the past. Because there's also a theory that Joker actually knows who Batman is but he prefers not to care.
    In this Movie, Wayne maybe at his 10, while Joker is 40. when Batman became Batman (in his 30), Joker must be 60 (if we assume that this Joker is The Joker). I think it will be more reasonable if Batman 30, then Joker was 40.
    For me, it is true that this Joker is actually an inspiration for the real Joker.

  • Benjámin Kurilla
    Benjámin Kurilla 10 hours ago

    But there is a reason why Arthur was institutionalised. Also he just might think her psychiatrist wouldn't understand, because she never did in the first place.

    HI EVERYONE 11 hours ago

    Heath Ledger played a great role before his passing, but this film and actor will surpass that other version. My favorite is still 89's Batman w Nicholson and Keaton.

  • Joey Stanley
    Joey Stanley 12 hours ago

    At the end of it all he still ain’t as intelligent as the heath ledger joker and now he better sit and wait cause uncle Batman’s growing up lol jk

  • Naufal Muhammad Haiqal
    Naufal Muhammad Haiqal 12 hours ago

    wait, if the man who we see in the taxi was the man who all along pull the trigger of the riots and bring Fleck in, then he maybe one of the potential Joker...

  • Joey Stanley
    Joey Stanley 12 hours ago

    Love Dc comics but I wish they’d put it all together like The MCU does. Still waiting on robin’s character to show up after the dark night . And I wished they keep the same characters everyone always has to compare who does better at acting and what not ..

  • Cody
    Cody 13 hours ago

    Bruh, WE NEED to see Joaquin's Joker vs Pattinson's Batman! That is just begging for something amazing to happen!

  • VobisPacem
    VobisPacem 13 hours ago

    Arthur already announced on live TV that he is a villain character joker, and everyone in that world already watched it firsthand.
    So if another person comes out to claim the name joker it wouldn't work.

  • Luis Romo
    Luis Romo 14 hours ago

    Not joker? Wack that's the real one in this universe I agree tho wouldn't fit well with bad man

  • Jason Paul Elder
    Jason Paul Elder 14 hours ago

    I think it's a brilliantly profound film that shouldn't be made into something deeper than it already is. If it were all a delusion, especially with the premise of it inspiring the real Joker to come, it would be overkill in my opinion.
    There's already a degree of obvious delusion or fantasizing at times with Arthur, but it really appears to me that the audience is allowed into his mental deterioration enough to see the many facets to it. This is why there are times to feel sympathetic, supportive, alarmed, and entertained by his transformation.
    As for the last line, saying that the therapist wouldn't get the joke, I just took that as in - even as a worker in a psych ward (and based on his previous experience in being observed), his mental condition - locked firmly into identity of the Joker - would be over her head to comprehend.
    This makes the most sense to me because there's a heightened degree of non-nonsense confidence in his being the Joker.

  • Rohit das
    Rohit das 14 hours ago


  • smago88
    smago88 14 hours ago +1

    So the joke is, I went to see the movie Joker. But maybe I didn’t see the Joker Movie? Hmmm my head hurts now.

  • John Galt
    John Galt 15 hours ago +1

    What a testament to Pheonix and his acting. That there are so many interpretations of the movie is testament of his acting. Everything he does turns to gold.

  • joey cruz
    joey cruz 16 hours ago +1

    Woww cant this guy just explain the dam movie?? Your not david lynch bro cut the bullshit and explain the confusing end to your movie!!!

  • TheQuatum
    TheQuatum 17 hours ago +1

    Tbh the director should have kept his mouth shut. The movie is great, we don't need him to explain it. When you explain a joke, it's no longer funny.

  • Autistic Spice
    Autistic Spice 17 hours ago +1

    i feel like Joker’s relationship with Sophie could have been real, esp if it weren’t for the weird “were you following me to work” bit, but she was understandably scared when he showed up unannounced & it creeped her out that night. He could’ve been crying because of how rejected he felt when she asked him to leave her apt.

  • Redgle
    Redgle 19 hours ago

    The whole "all in his head" theory will only be a detriment to the movie imo... I really hope they don't go that route

  • slimturnpike
    slimturnpike 20 hours ago

    Obviously Fleck is in the asylum the whole time

  • Ricardum
    Ricardum 21 hour ago

    Ergo: It was only a crazy desulion, and a completly lost of my time. I hate that kind of end.

  • Halo Genisys
    Halo Genisys 21 hour ago

    More the merrier more to come murder me. Hey.

  • killoreo
    killoreo 22 hours ago

    Its definately the THE Joker, what is reality and what is not is the joke.

  • Sasho
    Sasho 22 hours ago

    Basically my favourite year 5 story ending : “it was all a dream”

  • Darkness God
    Darkness God 23 hours ago

    Ha I knew it. They were using Killing Joke References.

  • 420PraiseIt
    420PraiseIt 23 hours ago

    Looper people how dense are you. The final scene with the bloody footprints gives it away. He incited the violence and chaos. All may not be true but his actions truly inspired THE joker who will walk on his bloody footsteps, thus creating the comic persona we know.
    Do they teach no literature in murica?Everything was a dream is a bad cliche and I hope from the bottom of my heart they aren't illiterate enough to pull that kind of bullshit

  • S Lyons
    S Lyons Day ago

    This just made me depressed

  • Chug Taylor
    Chug Taylor Day ago

    It’s cool to think that Joaquin Phoenix’s character broke the 4th wall & played a joke on us the viewer.

  • James Feltis
    James Feltis Day ago

    Id definately watch a sequel that movie was awesome

  • deadterrorrist
    deadterrorrist Day ago

    I noticed something interesting. As far as I am aware, the true killer clown never introduced himself as just Joker. He always was THE Joker. I think that Arthur is not the one.

  • Luis Vasquez
    Luis Vasquez Day ago

    I kinda of think that if the director/cast directly tells us how to interpret it, it defeats the purpose. If there is a sequel then we will have a better idea of what was real vs fake. Until then, all this speculation is interesting because they included support for many conspiracy theories

  • Ibras Bagby
    Ibras Bagby Day ago

    They should make a reboot of the whole series in this dark, brutal tone and world

  • Sprawka ART
    Sprawka ART Day ago

    Really? I though when he said "you wouldn't get it" in the end scene, he was thinking about the irony of Wayne's parents being killed by people wearing clown's masks, as Tomas Wayne was the one who called working class people "clowns" after joker killed those guys in the subway.
    It doesnt matter at the end of the day if this Joker was a real story or a made up story, at the end of the day- it's all just a story anyway, its content is what counts.

  • awsomespecs
    awsomespecs Day ago

    if he isnt the joker il kind of be sad

  • The Plains Jam
    The Plains Jam Day ago

    I actually find this theory something that I'm interested in.

  • Ákos Kőszegi
    Ákos Kőszegi Day ago +1

    The movie was 10/11 for me. But that las lt scene was.... meh. I hope it doesn't means that the whole story happened in Arthur's head. I love twists, but this would only kill the whole story which was - for me - perfect. The scene where Arthurt became the leader of the rebelleion, where he became Joker and the chaos itself - that should've been the perfect ending. We didn't need the last 3 minutes even if it was a hint for the (later) Batman movies or wanted to be another twist.
    However, this is the best film I've ever seen and I hope it will get an Oscar. This movie is too dark (and real) for any movie of the Marvel universe, but is also so much better 😂😅

  • Nightly
    Nightly Day ago +1

    It’s a joker movie based on a character that has no real 100% true backstory that’s why they did that in this movie because in the comics it’s always been like that even In the dark knight heath ledger is always changing up his story as to how he got his scars. You can tell who the casual fans are thinking that they were going to get a clear cut origin of the joker lol

  • Orlando SOrozco
    Orlando SOrozco Day ago

    In the “The Killing Joke” Arthur Fleck actually becomes the Joker, so if the movie was highly influenced by the graphic novel, then I assume that in the movie Arthur Fleck is the authentic Joker too.

  • Mark Higuera
    Mark Higuera Day ago +1

    Dam if the whole movie was just a lie tho dam some crazy shit