I need to divert ... NOW!

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  • Published on Jan 14, 2018
  • In this video Paul and I work on Diversions as they are described in the new ACS. Learn tips and tricks for nailing this task every time.
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Comments • 71

  • FlightChops
    FlightChops Year ago +22

    Love these real time training snippets - really great stuff!

  • Kris Hansen
    Kris Hansen Month ago

    I have heard the DPE does not like Technology. I use ForeFlight I know I can fly with out it. It make flight planning easier to explain. Would I be scared that he will not allow it?

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  28 days ago

      I'd plan to start out using everything you have and also be fully prepared to fly without it

  • the geek
    the geek 3 months ago

    When you said "use all available resources", is it cool to use your iPad / Foreflight for this part on the checkride? I keep mine on the yoke and have gotten really good with it. On the bottom information bar, I keep nearest airport, ete, distance to, heading, etc. Seems to work really really well.

  • Dan G
    Dan G 5 months ago

    Some say step one is change your heading towards one of your alternates so you aren't heading into i.e bad weather. And then figure out the rest

  • Mike Bennett
    Mike Bennett 5 months ago

    I’m adding the “scientific method” to my instruction. I used it all the time in IT. Now I get to use it in aviation!

  • Joann Somers
    Joann Somers 8 months ago

    all flight instructors should be as good as you.

  • G GMORR
    G GMORR 9 months ago

    Anyone know the name of the song in the beginning ?

    • G GMORR
      G GMORR 9 months ago

      @The Finer Points Cool Thx.

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  9 months ago +1

      I can't recall but I got it off Premium Beats

  • Texstar77
    Texstar77 10 months ago +1

    Very impressed with the balance of instruction and examiner roles! You keep the pressure on and Pauls mind on a pivot constantly without bouncing all over the subject matter. I'm shopping for a CFI now in the DFW area and now have a new higher standard to look for! Great job from both!!!

  • carlylea
    carlylea 10 months ago

    Is this CPL or PPL training?

  • A320viator
    A320viator Year ago

    thanx so much for such great training pieces of advice

  • Rory On Air
    Rory On Air Year ago

    Great video, thanks for sharing.

  • Michael Stern
    Michael Stern Year ago

    Did you get a chance to check Jerry's video?

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  Year ago

      Michael Stern yeah when you’re old school it’s familiar that way. When I learned there was no GPS either so even having a little Garmin on the yoke is a huge enhancement

    • Michael Stern
      Michael Stern Year ago

      Until recently he flew with a map and a little Garmin on his yoke.

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  Year ago

      Michael Stern yes it was fun

  • Michael Stern
    Michael Stern Year ago

    I am not a pilot just an rc flyer but enjoy your videos very much. BTW you flew into Jerry W air space do you know of him?

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  Year ago

      Michael Stern thanks! I’m glad you’re watching. I don’t believe I do, any more info?

  • Isaac Esikhaty
    Isaac Esikhaty Year ago +3

    Scientific method? I can appreciate that; smart idea, kinda creates a feedback loop of decision making. In my paper chart cockpit, I was taught to add an MEF (Max Elevation Figure) check on the new course.

  • Mike Bennett
    Mike Bennett Year ago

    I'm steeling the "scientific method thing". Love the videos, great work!

  • Mike Bennett
    Mike Bennett Year ago +1

    Lol.. I'm watching this thinking "I've flown there before".. Then I realized that I did back in May while attending CFI Academy @ Lodi. Was windy. CFI said, "yeah, the fans are on"

    • Mike Bennett
      Mike Bennett Year ago

      Yeah.. You aren't kidding. It was a steady 25 knots!

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  Year ago

      Yes, we get familiar with wind, especially right at the fog line in the summertime. 25-30 kts is common. The fan is on high! haha

  • TheWindigomonster
    TheWindigomonster Year ago +2

    I just took my private pilot checkride a week ago, and I can not overstate the value of having the cockpit organized. I actually dedicated some time beforehand to figure out where everything was going to be in the cockpit, and made sure I had a paper sectional in my kneeboard already flipped to the right page in case the examiner wanted me to divert without use of electronics. It's a huge boost in confidence to know where everything is at when the examiner asks for it, and as my examiner told me during the debrief afterwords it definitely helped him be more confident in me as well.

  • Fabi Hansi
    Fabi Hansi Year ago +1

    When on a VFR check ride, am I allowed to use VORs/DMEs and NDBs for navigation or may I use GPS/charts only?

    • Mitch
      Mitch Year ago +1

      You are not allowed to use them for the navigation portion of your check ride, only dead reckoning.

    • Josh Bascii
      Josh Bascii Year ago

      they'll be impressed if you use navigational beacons. just make sure you push to listen to their ID (confirm their morse code identity). they may or may not allow ipad/gps, but I guarantee you they will be ok with you using charts and NAVAIDS

  • AusPilot
    AusPilot Year ago

    Are you allowed to use the GPS in flight tests in the USA?

    • TheWindigomonster
      TheWindigomonster Year ago

      It is allowed, although some examiners will "fail" GPS during the flight test to make sure you know how to do everything the old fashioned way.

    • AusPilot
      AusPilot Year ago

      The Finer Points seems like a policy that actually makes sense unlike the rules here in Australia. Love the podcast and channel by the way Jason!

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  Year ago +1

      Yes. At this point, it's encouraged to do what you'd "really" do. Although that is somewhat examiner dependent

  • Wayne Stables
    Wayne Stables Year ago

    Great video. I'm just finishing my cross country and so far have been lucky enough to deal with two real life diversions for weather which I learned a huge amount from. You definitely learn to be prepared and how quickly things can change

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  Year ago

      Thanks. So true, somehow that never changes. Even after doing this professionally for 20 years I can still paint myself into corners and wonder how did that happen!?

  • Stephen Farris
    Stephen Farris Year ago

    This is great practice to keep you aware of what could or might happen when your just out flying
    Great video TPF

  • Kyle Kendall
    Kyle Kendall Year ago

    Another Great video Jason!

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  Year ago

      oh yeah, exactly the same I'm sure ;)

    • Kyle Kendall
      Kyle Kendall Year ago

      LOL, every pilot's dream plane! That was the picture in my head on my first solo with cessna 150! im sure it flies the same expect for the reduced climb rate!

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  Year ago

      Thanks Kyle! Nice P51 photo! (*gawk)

  • Derek Wolfe
    Derek Wolfe Year ago

    What a great video!! Thank you Paul for taking us with you and to Jason for putting this together.

  • Asher Welch
    Asher Welch Year ago +2

    Thank you Paul for allowing your lesson to be shared. Good job putting the video together Jason. I definitely got something out of it! Keep up the good work!

  • Brian Moeller
    Brian Moeller Year ago

    Good stuff as usual. For videos like this, I like to "follow" along on maps, so this is what figured was your flight path (skyvector.com/?ll=37.989380417832386,-121.85806274056806&chart=301&zoom=2&fpl=3750N12148W%203801N12138W%203807N12144W%20O88).
    Even though he wanted direct, letting that course deviation go unnoticed for probably about 3-5 minutes placed him well off course before you brought it to his attention. Goes to show how quickly you can get yourself "lost" if you're not checking. I see Paul's use of pilotage and using visual cues for a position check, but with a hazy day (tough to tell in video), would VOR triangulation be a better choice or just another option? I guess if you could still see Mt. Diablo, then you had enough visual evidence to support your position check.
    I would think that if there was still some doubt in your visual position check, then you would begin the VOR position check to get final confirmation. Just wondering your thoughts on that. Thanks.

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  Year ago +2

      Wow Brian, nice work on re creating that! Yes, I think VOR triangulation would be beneficial, in this case --- he had a GPS course to supplement the visual cues I just wanted to make sure he followed it. Either GPS or VOR to supplement visual on a hazy day (or any day) is part of that "scientific method"

  • Laura Halliday
    Laura Halliday Year ago

    Good stuff, as always!
    My first (and so far only) real diversion was on one of my PPL cross-country flights. I was running late, it was starting to get dark, I knew I wouldn't make it to home base in time. Training kicked in, I considered my options and made my choice. My instructor was thrilled: I kept my cool, worked the problem, landed safely. Even asked ATC for help.

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  Year ago

      Laura Halliday nice! I'm sure your instructor was very relieved that you didn't simply try to push it all the way home. Good PIC decision, nice work

  • Aero360Aviation
    Aero360Aviation Year ago

    I like that reference of scientific method. My CFI would Always say "trust but verify"

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  Year ago +1

      Aero360Aviation yeah that's a similar thought, I like it

  • Rocky Taylor
    Rocky Taylor Year ago

    How many hours into flight training are we required to understand this?

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  Year ago +1

      Rocky Taylor roger check it out here -
      www.faa.gov/training_testing/testing/acs/media/private_airplane_acs_6A.pdf

    • Rocky Taylor
      Rocky Taylor Year ago

      The Finer Points hehe, not sure what the acs is yet, but will read it cover to cover as soon as I do. Your content has been extremely helpful in getting me ready for school. Thanks again!

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  Year ago +1

      If you think of Private training in 3 phases (Pre Solo / Cross Country / Check ride prep) this fits into Cross Country training. You will work on it with your CFI after you solo. Hard to say how many hours or months .... everybody is a little different. You should read the ACS all the way through asap though to get your head around what the FAA is requiring for the certificate you're pursuing.

  • Robert Sogomonian

    The short runway at Rio Vista! Love that airport.

  • lasertrails
    lasertrails Year ago

    It looked like he waited until the needle was perfectly centered before he turned from his intercept course onto his intended course. Is it ok to do that since you were still pretty far away, or would it be better to start to turn to the new course BEFORE the needle centers, so you don't overshoot it?

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  Year ago +1

      Kinda like you suggested that depends on how far away you are, how fast you're moving and how severe the intercept angle is. We use 30 degrees as a standard intercept and 45 degrees as "aggressive", then measure the speed of the needle movement and make the appropriate judgement

  • BadNade
    BadNade Year ago

    I’m considering ATP to begin a career in aviation. To be honest, I’m quite intimidated by the task set before me. Your videos have a wonderful effect of empowering me to work harder on my goals. Thank you so much for your positive effect my life. Keep up the good work.

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  Year ago +1

      Great to hear that and good luck on your journey! You know about our podcasts too? We do videos and podcasts every other week. www.learnthefinerpoints.com/podcast

  • Seth Stoll
    Seth Stoll Year ago

    Good stuff! Thanks for sharing your day at the office!

  • Larry Ferguson
    Larry Ferguson Year ago +9

    Great tip on using the scientific method to confirm positions. Never heard of it before. Thanks!

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  Year ago +2

      Thanks Larry. Well ... that's because I thought of it. :) Part of the art (I believe) is finding images / references / stories that will help something click and stick for the pilots I fly with.

  • Anthony Bellotti
    Anthony Bellotti Year ago +10

    I gotta be honest, ur probably one of the best instructors I’ve seen in my time, keep it up

    • The Finer Points
      The Finer Points  Year ago

      Anthony Bellotti thanks! I really appreciate hearing that. I work hard on perfecting the craft and comments like that mean everything. Thx