George RR Martin on Why He Hates Censorship
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- Published on Sep 14, 2019
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A Song of Ice and Fire/game of Thrones Author George R. R. Martin Interview
YES the bastard is dead! @6:14
What's bizarre to me is that now the loudest puritan voices are coming from the left.
I don’t care about this.
Jon Snow Go away!!!
Pointless comment is pointless
I love you GRRM!!!
Let truth and falsehood grapple in free and open encounter.
One of the stupidest of all possible courses of action. Falsehood has a dirty way of subjugating the truth, since it has neither the convenience, nor the burden of being factually defensible. Free speech absolutists are the grease in the wheels of fascism EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. it rears it's head anywhere in history, anywhere in the world.
Okay George thanks, but where are the books
You can show a horrific murder but God help you if show a woman's breasts
I get the feeling nobody listened to what G.R.R.M. was talking about or what he was referring to specifically when he said he was against censorship...
No one is under any requirement to agree with anyone, least of all some nobody writer who's only popular because he wrote booby books where everyone dies with dragons. Don't take your political cues from pop culture figures.
“Right wing people ranting” “left leaning people” i sense bias here 😂😂
Makes sense considering his books.
MSNBC doesn't have a left wing bias, it just has a pro Democrat bias.
Welp, this is another video that the Alt-Right a-holes are going to twist around and start a political fiasco with.
"Left wing bias" and "Right wing ranting". Nice balance there George.
@Matthew Lawton Subjective dipictions are now "truth". Nice fantasy world you live in there.
There is no requirement to provide balance. Truth is inherently biased against all that is untrue. If you find yourself excluded from the truth, you should be asking what that means instead of crying like a Trumptard about it.
Jason Sacuta you sound so pretty certain.
@Jason Sacuta I'm pretty sure that is your opinion man. His bias was showing is all, I know he's a hardcore Democrat. At least he stands up for free speech unlike the rest of the left who act like Fascist bigots.
Give it another 10 years and he won't be welcome in the Democratic party anymore.
Pretty sure the Right is way worse than the Left.
Anyone should have the right to say anything unless it is inextricably linked to action. Those who would say someone doesn’t have the right to say awful, vile bigoted propaganda would have to believe(if they were ideologically consistent) that one shouldn’t be able to say things that are rude and vulgar, or heretical to some particular religion.
Jason Sacuta it’s not a a straw man. If anything it’s reductio ad absurdum, but it’s not even reducing the argument in favor of censorship down that much. It’s just the logical conclusion of the pro-censorship argument.
Burke Tinsley You’re Straw-Manning buddy.
Worse thing is homogenizing everything and making everything the same.
Martin out here promoting 2d waifus
I agree with being against censroship and advocating free speech. I believe all speech, no matter howl oving or hateful, is free speech.
However, I don't believe in the liberalization of sex. Firstly, when you have an epidemic in the west of of girls as young as 7 masturbating on cam for adults, with the figure as much as 40% of young girls are doing it, because they've been raised in a hypersexualized society that values meaningless sex over commitment to family values - society does and has suffered because of it. Less marriage, means less families staying together. More single-parent child raising leads to mal-adjusted children with less motivation or drive, with a whole myriad of security issues, anger issues and general increase in negative mental illness.
The reason people freak out when they see some celebrity's tits is because they know people look up to these people and will inevitably emulate them.
Or even take, for example; Arianna Grande. She's a good singer, but pretty much all of her songs are about fucking. A bunch of kids got their arms and legs blown off in what of her concerts because some muslim who hates the west decided to kill a bunch of people. none of that is Arianna's fault, of course, but the point is that no kids would have died or been injured if they hadn't been at the Arianna Grande concert, because SHE'S AN ADULT SINGER SINGING ABOUT SEX AND DRUGS!
Also, watch the satanic orgy scene in the tv show Westworld. The west isn't sexually conservative, it's sexually obsessed and so are our children because of it. The west's attitude towards sex has done nothing but harm our societies lately.
I'm all for fucking who you want when you want. I'm not for Nikki Minaj singing about taking a big black guy's dick up her arse while little kids dance and sing along.
George sounds very Libertarian.
Far from it. He was reacting to right-leaning fascism in most of his philosophy and Libertarianism in the US is decidedly right.
I guess I never thought of it that way. We humans, despite trying to achieve a general standard of morality in our socities, would still cheer in joy at watching a helpless boy die in the presense of his own mother. All due to external and somewhat warranted factors, but nonetheless, it's still the same scenario.
I like how ASOIAF really challenges us in this way.
Morality is a personal issue, not a societal one.We are NOT striving to achieve standards of morality in society en mass, and the few who are, like Christians and Muslims, leave horrific body counts in their wake when they do. Nothing is more antithetical to human liberty that a group of useless shitheads who think THEY know what's right.
Don’t be pretentious, there are objective morals, it’s a spiritual thing.
“Political Correctness is fascism pretending to be manners.” - George Carlin
@Jason Sacuta Agreed.
1. Carlin's been dead for over a decade. He made his political statements based on philosophies he pieced together as a reaction to the politics of his time. Those politics are increasingly inapplicable to today's world.
2. ALL people's political ideologies tend to be reactions to past events more so than current events, as no one really knows how anything is going to shake out before it does. So Carlin's views were probably more representative of the 90s or early 2000s than his final days in 2008.
3. Completely separate from the issues I have with this statement above, Carlin made the same mistake political correctness did in being far too broad to have made a meaningful statement. PC isn't bad, nor is it fascism in its properly distilled form. Under no circumstances should we accept a society where it's okay to run around calling black people "nigger". If you disagree, I welcome you to put your philosophy into practice and report back to me with the results. Yes, it can, and HAS been taken too far, because the basic concept of political correctness was applied too broadly, just like Carlin's condemnation of it. Specificity is always appropriate, context ALWAYS matters. "I don't like political correctness" is just as often a crypto-racist attack on the social artifices that protect minorites from undue bigotry as it is any kind of appeal to common sense centrism. And it should say something that centrists find themselves in that particular company on this issue...
Sorry. Nothing is simple, least of all the nature of human interactions. Ergo, sound byte bullshit like this, the very same Carlin spent a lot of his life denouncing I'll add, is far too over simplified to actually address the complex nuances of this issue.
No, it's communism
@Jason Sacuta So tell me miss. How would you like it if your opinions were seen as dangerous and you should be punished for having them? An opinion you haven't even acted on bam punish.
Did you watch the video we’re commenting on? It seems to me “any sane person” would agree with GRR Martin on this.
You’re wrong that being anti-censorship is the same as letting anyone “do whatever they want”. “man-children” is just ad hominem.
What exactly do you mean by “more mature”? So being against censorship is “less mature”? So GRR Martin is less mature than you? Why? Anyone can say, “X that I like is more mature and Y that I don’t like is less mature”. It’s easier to call your opponents “man children” and “less mature” then to actually argue against their position eh?
You mention America specifically in your comment - fascist groups outside of the USA like the Nazis censored their opponents and are looked back on with disdain in the modern day. But “America bad” because some of the people living there are against censorship? Lmao
"Free Speech"? What is this guy a fucking Nazi or something?
Free speech absolutist. Yes that is how we should all be.
@Red Sparrow "Who gets to decide" The cry of the impotent and the coward. WE decide, moron. Like we decide everything else.
@Jason Sacuta Where do you draw the line with hate speech? That shit swings both ways. In silencing those you disagree with, you create precedent for them to silence those _they_ disagree with. Everyone is offended by something, you can't capitulate to the offended. It'll backfire. Conservatives are offended by abortion, so should they be allowed to silence pro-choice advocacy?
What about hate speech?
There are speeches that need to be banned. Sorry, if you threaten bodily harm, if you incite violence, you are off.
What he said was really problematic and racist and should be removed from the internet. Read the works of JK Rowling instead.
Grrm is a better writer than J.K. Rowling.Half the internet agrees and you are making a joke aren't you.it is hard to tell anymore.
i slog through 4000 pages and then the people who can afford hbo get the payoff?
"im against censorship"
quite a brave position... hey guess what? you're not gonna finish the books - im not gonna finish this video... dick...
me too bro!
No Girl would sleep wirh him,that's why he's obssessed with sex.
I could watch this guy do anything or talk about anything
I miss the old Twitter, the way it was before anti-Trump hysteria made them mass-ban the most interesting Alt Right people.
Give me Anglin and Auernheimer, give me Hitler and Heartiste, give me Milo and memes and a million green frogs. Give me autistics with crime statistics and infographics on race and IQ.
And if that's not for you, that's fine. There'd still be boring boomer newspapers, left-liberal lamestream TV and catlady Facebok for the unenlightened PC NPCs.
After the garbage the show ended on, who gives a fuck about GoT anymore.
I don't think the Janet Jackson thing was a real scandal in the sense that multitudes of people were outraged. Maybe 0.01% of the population was actually enraged by it. The problem is the media likes to make a big deal out of the 0.01% of people who are outraged because it's cheap drama.
LagMasterSam but it was a scandal in the sense that every single media outlet made it that way, which is just so stupid.
GRR censors himself by being too distracted by fame and the smell of his own farts to FINISH THE FUCKING GOT BOOKS! Love the man's writing, can't stand his work ethic.......
Too bad there's an ever-growing list of things you can't say in this disgusting society. Agree with the Borg or you shall be persecuted, exactly like in the Soviet Union. And you'll notice that George can't say that in this video, but has to keep it vague and general to about being censored by the commie horde. Or indeed by TVclip, who long ago started to remove videos and comments they "didn't agree with".
@@Matthew Lawton What does this even mean? Are you just typing random words you know?
Publish the list and note the updates, please. I intend to see the rate of growth of this magical list of things to validate your statement. I'll be waiting with baited breath...
@@Jason Sacuta Oh look, the totalitarian brainwashing is trying to communicate with me! How cute. This is one of the three responses it has been able to learn. Of course it doesn't understand any of the words it uses, like a parrot.
Nice fascimile of intelligence though. Pity it's fake.
Take off your tin foil hat please.
Funny, I'm against broken deadline promises.
lol I like how he calls out fox specifically. "If you want a right wing ranting channel, you have fox"
Yeah that was hard as fuck
If you like fantasy then there’s Fox News !
"Almost a free speech absolutist", well, thats streching it a bit. He talked about only a few circumstances, but many free speech abolutists are able to include many other things under that heading that he might never have considered. Spam, for example. He once mentioned how he disliked recieving a modest amount of hate and spam mail, and how he didn't like it. Multiply it with a 100, so that spam drowns mail important to you, and free speech absolutists would defend it under free speech. They'd even include hate speech, violence incitement and false testimony to screw someone over under free speech.
While pro-free speech is one thing. Absolutism, extremism is another.
Doesn't free speech just describe the content of someones opinion and not the way that opinion is relayed? Because if you can put spam into the category of free speech you could put pretty much everything into that category? For example I am allowed to tell my ring at my neighbours door and tell them that I don't like them but that doesn't mean that I am allowed to throw a rock with a note into their window on which I write that I don't like them.
Who cares if you don't like censorship. I care about you finishing the Winds of Winter.
@Da real krishpy Kream I don't know about that dude. The guy has written a lot of prequels already.
rui figueiredo It’s up to him whether he works on his books or takes some time off. It’s not called slacking off and this popularity is what’s disturbing him to work on his books. He wants to work on his books but obviously doesn’t want to work on it 24/7 and the other projects I understand about that it’s distracting him from working on the winds of winter but it’s up to him not us it’s his life not ours and doesn’t have to do dedicate himself to fans all the time he has to think about what he wants.
@Da real krishpy Kream I'm sorry but i don't think we will ever agree on this just because his book's are popular it doesn't give him the right to slack off he is literally working on 3 different project's which is obvious he can't all 3 at the same time any other author would be living on the streets by now and this ins't just a hobby imagine telling an office worker "just do the paperwork when you want to don't let them pressure you" i hold martin to the same standards i hold any other professional so he either starts writing the books or just admit's he doesn't want to and quits
rui figueiredo Everyone should just respect his choices if he wants to be interviewed he should get interviewed and when he wants to write his books he should when he wants to not force himself because others are pressuring him.
@Da real krishpy Kream telling a professional writer to do his job is not harassment if he wants people to stop telling him to start working he should just come out and say he ins't writing the books
It so funny that in Europe we had completely naked people in shows during the day 30 years ago, and now we don’t have it because we watch US shows. And all the censored cursing is so annoying, at least we don’t have to use that material and can use the original, but on uTube it still sucks
Great books bad ending though
@Maha Hamdi sansa is the most overrated character in the show
sansa wasn't the queen in season 7 it was jon who was the king and dont even get me started on the plot around sansa in season 7 for some reason she wanted to kill arya and arya wanted to kill sansa both are retarded and lets not forget how she almost got her brother killed in season 6 by withholding information about the knights of the vale
later in season 8 she did nothing but get into fights with dany even tho she offered sansa an olive branch multiple times she dint fight for anyone but herself she literally fucked everyone because of her jon had to go to the wall now the north is independent and they are fucked now the iron islands are free to raid them now they don't have enough food because they wont get support from the reach because of her theres a dragon roaming the world all because she wasnt able to keep her mouth shut if you think anything sansa did was for someone other than herself youre delusional and oh i almost forgot how she is always lecturing jon about what to do but she herself admits she doesn't know what to do sansa is a disgusting character and i dont understand how anyone can like her
@rui figueiredo "deserve"
sansa is the last stark who can get children, arya doesn't want to be a lady and jon doesn't think he is a stark anymore.
sansa already was the queen when jon went to dany in s7 and apparently she was a good queen she gathered food for her people, made sure people had weapons
and later in s8 she was worried about the food shortage, she fought for her people's freedom
so i guess she deserved to be the queen.
bran... he didn't deserve it in the show he did nothing during the long night and the lords didn't know anything about him but GRRM isn't an idiot bran will deserve to be the king in the dream of spring.
@Maha Hamdi i hate the idea of sansa and bran becoming kings they absolutly dont deserve it
what the problem with the ending that we get if you forget how they got to this ending the ending in the show will be awesome
1/daenerys at the end of the last book told herself that dragons plant no trees and she will use the fire and blood to get westeros
she is gonna fight the young griff and kill him but people will hate her guts because she killed their beloved king and her "nephew" to steel his throne
she will burn them all
2/bran is alive to fight the others he will do something that will make people choose him as their king (not like this shitty scene in the show)
he won't become a robot
3/i don't think tyrion will be the hand though he became a terrible person in the books
4/sansa had a dream where she was building a castle
she will become the queen in the north and build winterfell after the long night
i guess the ending is satisfying but d&d are dumb and didn't know how to go to it
@Boyzby true actually
Say what you want, think what you want, believe what you want, as long as you don't force others to do the same. And if you don't like what others say/think/believe, turn around, go away, they have as much right for their opinions as you do and while you are by no means obliged to listen to them you are also not entitled to silence them.
Everything can be offensive if a person is focused enough to seek the offensive parts. That's why I don't avoid or censor my views anymore, both popular and unpopular ones. If anyone find's them offensive, it's not my problem, it's theirs. Life's much easier this way.
False. War exists, ergo we are entitled to silence people.
Everyone is all for free speech when it comes to books and television until people take the streets in protest
@Matthew Lawton everyone wants to cry about other people's problems and get offended on their behalf when they have little to no real problems of their own. These marches are almost always weekdays when most people are working too, isn't it crazy how much free time these people have? Or am I a fascist for saying this?
@D G Using free speech to counter free speech is EXACTLY what fascism does! It's called the paradox of tolerance and it is the lynch pin in any absolutist ideology. There are limits to ALL things. Failure to acknowledge this and act accordingly is apishly stupid and leads, sooner or later, to cattle cars and gas chambers.
Not everyone in the world intend to do nice things with liberty. You turn your back on that at your own peril, at the peril of your children.
Everyone is all for free speech until THEY are the ones who's blood the masses are crying for, until THEY are the ones who are being chained and forced to labor in the fields at the business end of a whip. Absolutism is a failed, murderous policy 100% of the time.
Free speech doesn't mean they have to like everything, it should allow their opposition to marches if anything.
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its the left that are accusing got of being wrong in its attitudes as if the world it depicts ought to be a safe and equitable place. grrm doesnt seem to get that his enemies are authoritarians on both sides of the spectrum, not just the right. its extreme leftists accusing him of being mysogynistic ... its the leftists kicking off about the rape scenes (that are meant to be horrifying!), its radfems kicking off about danys madness - because she is meant to be perfect and exemplary. he seems to have a real blind spot about this. its like he is a paleoconservative who doesnt know it, and thinks liberalism - for him which appears to be the 1980s style liberalism - are the 'good guys'. i am not a right winger .. but i can see his oldfashionedness and blindspots to the authoritarianism and stupidity of left wing censorship.
@Miguel Aveiro he has eluded to it in several interviews and blog posts
@Daniel Mirante when did he say it's only right wing people who have a problem with his work?
@Pony Montana i am actually not! i am anti authoritarian who believes the conventional divisions between left and right are broken. it seems grrm wants to be seen as a kind of cool conscientious objector because he always refers to rightfield as being unfavourable, but the far left would (and do) rip him a new one for not making his work woke enough..
We get it you're a republican
Is there a link to this full interview?
Well said George lad.
When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar,
you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.
Well this discussion has run out of steam.
I won’t argue my role wasn’t major. But I do wish each of you a good day.
Although we may disagree on certain subject. I am happy that I could learn about these viewpoints. Bye.
Hello Elazar Singer . Yeah I agree with you that the martyr dilemma would naturally come up.
www.google.dk/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/topics/germany/beer-hall-putsch
But my desire is to legally sabotage them from obtaining social influence and political power.
www.google.dk/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/fact-or-fiction-adolf-hitler-won-an-election-in-1932/a-18680673
Tyranny supported by the people can destroy the very rights that un-democratic groups use to get them self elected.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority
I once knew an individual argued that since the national socialist worker’s party didn’t win more than +50% of the voters, they shouldn’t be considered a failure of democracy.
My counter argument was that this minority government nevertheless succeeded in destroying all other political parties in Germany. And everything else by the way.
Democracy works pretty great when everyone is playing by the same rules.
But I believe that you shouldn’t play politics with those who don’t follow the democratic rules.
No law successfully stopped the German Nazi party from becoming the largest political party in interwar Germany.
To be completely honestPeriodicPete. I forgot about this debate.
@Erik Thomsen Seems pretty counterproductive just to end the conversation right there.
And also kind of disappointing. You don't have any other point beyond "Germany does it, so it's ok"?
@Erik Thomsen um actually they Germany already had laws limiting free speech. Many leaders of the Nazi party were locked up for the things they said. Didn't stop them now did it? In fact, evidence suggests that when you lock someone up for that it becomes something like a martyr. It emboldens rather than dampen. I absolutely understand the desire to imprison people when such bile spills from their mouths but I am not certain that censoring them would work. But I could be wrong and I respect your opinion.
oh really? Then why did Dumb and Dumber censored the other half of ice and fire story? Scratch that, they cut it out completely
David Johnson look they fucked up join in its fun
They're far from idiots jesus christ, I get that the last season was disappointing but that's a ridiculous thing to say. Y'all loved them 2 years ago ffs
Dumb and Dumber are idiots and con artists, but that isn't what the word "censorship" means.
Love this man.
I think I'm the only one who loved Tywin but I cry every time I read Tyrion and Tywins last scene. just how Tyrion is mourning not his fathers death or what he's done just the relationship he never had and he always knew if he wasn't a dwarf their relationship would still be horrible but not so toxic
@Fahmi Mansor Yeah I know about the Tyrion Targaryen theory but all I can say on that is George is such a genius writer that if that were the case I think Tyrion would be a normal yellow haired Lannister, maybe a bit of a bookworm disappointment but not a Dwarf and we would wonder why Tywin hated him so much. But as he is now I think it's clear Tywin blames him for his wife death and sees him as an insult to his legacy for being born the way he is. Remember George hides the truth by overwhelming us with information and most book fans agree that if Tyrion was the mad kings son it would butcher that beautiful character work George has done between the son and father who were just too different, the father who wished his son was never born is just a golden story plot of the books how Tywin only sees Tyrion as Lannister piece of property and does not view him as a son more like something he has to protect for his own face value.
There is more to this, actually. There were hints that Tyrion might not be his son, that Tywin's wife was raped by the Mad King and Tyrion was the product of that.
This is the kryptonite to the Yaasss Khalleeesi crowd.
The... what now?
that's one of the many things thats so wrong about america. people getting shot (in movies or even real) is all over the tv, but if tits are shown ppl get upset? fucked up mindset galore
Those who seek to censor others, seek to control them. They are the enemies of not only freedom, but the mind itself and should be treated with disdain and contempt when they threaten to silence those they disagree with.
@Jason Sacuta stay triggered my bitch made friend
Tell that to hate speech.
Also freedom doesn’t mean doing whatever you want, like rape, murder, deforestation, animal abuse, child abuse, etc, America’s idea of “freedom” is screwed up.
The unfortunate reality is Darwinism. The majority of people must be dumb so they can meet other dumb people and reproduce so they can sustain the human population. Also I liked what you said about rome, James purefoy is such a good actor but his marc antony should have been a bit less psychopathic and caesar should of been a bit more so.
Can you quote any passage from Darwin's books where he actually said anything like that?
Wait hangon I swear robb and Joffrey were 14 in book 1 and robb was 16 when he died before Joffrey
I believe Robb was born just before Jon Snow (Cat was pregnant with him when Ned left to help Robert Baratheon, I believe), which would've happened before Robert Baratheon and Cersei got married, so even with Joffrey being Jamie's son, the appearance is that he's Robert's oldest, which means that pregnancy would've happened after Robert's Rebellion.
Joffrey was younger than Robb. There's a scene early in book 1 where Robb is butthurt that Joffrey is taller than him though.
I don’t like all the explicit sex on GoT bc I couldnt watch it with my dad whereas I watched most of breaking bad with him, all though there’s massive wins like seeing Emilia Clarke naked so
Except I am pro gun and you should be concerned about the do-gooders that will spread communist authoritarianism.
Francis Thompson ...guns are the reason the First Amendment protection of free speech exists to begin with... otherwise we might still be British colonies for all any of us know! Canada (in typical Canadian fashion) didn’t become independent until they negotiated for it - after we Americans had already won our freedom with guns
If you support free speech, then I'll tell you this:pro guns are dumb.
Slytiger Enough with your imaginary boogieman.
Okay then random commenter
Love this man!
I guess some people had to go into their "safe space" after hearing this. Pro free-speech, I guess that makes GRRM a Nazi, no? Is TVclip going to censor him now? 😄
Nice straw-man buddy.
I hate censorship so much. I'm a vulgar motherfucker and have a hard time not saying fuck and shit and cunt. Most kids already know all these words by the time they're 8.
Go nuts, show nuts.
When I read The Red Wedding I didn't really feel anything. The Purple Wedding was different though. This 13 year old boy was scared and suffocating and wanted his mommy. I didn't feel good that Joffrey was just knocked off the board.
Yeah but how does he feel about 2019's corporate censorship
Yes well that's the problem with free speech absolutism, isn't it? The paradox of tolerance always kicks in, wherein if you allow fascists the same right to speak in society, they inherently use those rights to abridge the rights of others. Yet again, absolutist ideology fails. It doesn't matter whether is right leaning christian absolutism, the clownish zero tolerance laws various states have passed, or freedom of speech. Absolutism leads to a loss of liberty.
He's likely not allowed to think about it.