Brady is greatest team athlete of all-time, Freddie Kitchens is in over his head | NFL | THE HERD

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  • Published on Sep 18, 2019
  • Colin Cowherd discusses some football on today's show. Hear his case for Tom Brady being the greatest athlete in any North American sport ever and why Freddie Kitchens may be in over his head as HC of the Cleveland Browns.
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  • The Herd with Colin Cowherd

    Is Tom Brady the greatest team athlete of all-time?

    • Martin S.
      Martin S. 3 days ago

      Yes and no; it's not 'accurate' to say TB12 is the best SPORTS ATHLETE of all-time. First of all, it's not fair to TB12, but it's also not fair to say... hockey players, or soccer players. Keep in mind, if you take a sports athlete like Christiano Ronaldo (CR7) how many times has he won Champions League? He has at least 28 trophies!
      Don't get me wrong, I love Patriots and TB12, but to say he's the greatest ATHLETE of all-time, that is stretching it way out.

      TB12 is without any doubt the most accomplished NFL player/QB of all-time. Will he ever be surpassed? Maybe. When Michael Shumacher, former Formula 1 driver, won his 7th championship title, there were those who said it would never be surpassed. Well, Lewis Hamilton sure is in with a good chance of doing it.

    • HT
      HT 12 days ago

      yes

    • pdg90
      pdg90 17 days ago

      Not at all. It’s too much controversy over his wins. (tuck rule, spygate, deflategate, ref favoritism etc.)

    • Xander Sanders
      Xander Sanders 26 days ago

      Absolutely not. Team success and longevity don’t necessarily make you the best

  • Rick McKenzie
    Rick McKenzie Day ago

    Colin Herd is the greatest man in sports broadcasting

  • hollister lowe
    hollister lowe Day ago

    Brady has done more in his sport than anyone else has in the NFL. Jordan has not! The 3/3 is amazing but there is still a Russell, Jabbar and Magic that is in the debate. Jordan hasn’t made the separation in his sport that Brady has made in his and he’s still playing! Ridiculous! Oh and Belichick had something to do with it as well!

  • Politics scitilop
    Politics scitilop 2 days ago

    I actually never thought of that
    Cut Brady career in half and it can still be argued he is the Greatest QB ever, or atleast in top 3
    That's 1 for the haters
    They will have nightmares over that one😂😂😂

  • Lissy
    Lissy 3 days ago

    Brady

  • Francisco Rodriguez
    Francisco Rodriguez 6 days ago

    Everyone craps on ELI... everyone.. and at the end he is 2-0 against Tom in the super bowl... done enough said... joe actually sat out in the 4th quarter with plenty of time left and he still threw for 5 TDS... give me a break joe beat Marino and elway... come on... both at their best... get out of here... joe is the best Brady ... not there...

  • Jason Bowser
    Jason Bowser 6 days ago

    Just think about what Montana would have done with the rules today and QBs not even being able to be touched. Good Lord. Brady is the greatest of this generation, not all time. He would get absolutely destroyed in the 70’s and 80’s. He couldn’t even play. But those QBs would have begged to play in these rules. That’s a huge difference that Herd always conveniently ignores.

  • Todd Hall
    Todd Hall 7 days ago

    I really like and respect Brady and agree on much of what Colin says except Belichick is as much or more responsible for those rings than Brady. The offense only had 13 points in the last super bowl but the end up winning because of Belichick and his assistants. It's a marriage made in heaven though. Brady has greatly aided Belichick to be the coach he is. Even with his accomplishments he remains coachable and a great teammate. He's taken less money to help the team with other contracts. He lets Belichick criticize him in front of the team and takes it constructively. He sets the tone for the team. His love for the game, attitude and work ethic let him overcome being a below average athlete. His arm is definitely way above average though.

  • Rick James
    Rick James 9 days ago

    Its time like this when you question how these so called analysts get paid to speak on sports. You're wrong Cowherd and this is why...Basketball players play Offense and Defense, which puts them in a totally different level of comparison. You can make that argument for football only. As for Basketball and Hockey, no he's not. It's ludicrous to have to point this out to an analyst.

    • Rick James
      Rick James 5 days ago

      @Regular Dad Here That's true and we can't forget there's one more sport, RUGBY, it doesn't get enough credit for the physicality required. Practically football with no pads. That's a mans game...

    • Regular Dad Here
      Regular Dad Here 5 days ago

      Rick James yeah don’t forget soccer. I think they may be best athletes in the world arguably. Basketball and hockey definitely physical demanding sports having to play both offense and defense.

  • HereIsWisdom 1318
    HereIsWisdom 1318 11 days ago

    If someone stopped watching football in 2005, then turned on the tv this passed Sunday, “they’d have to be shocked to see Brady still playing.”

  • AWelsh Celt
    AWelsh Celt 16 days ago

    C'mon Colin, you know Brady isn't the greatest athlete of all time. It's silly. You're silly. The whole premise is silly. Grow up, ffs.

  • mela bbn
    mela bbn 20 days ago

    1 Wayne Gretzky
    2 Messi
    3 Jordan

  • Stephen Udycz
    Stephen Udycz 21 day ago

    If you use Bill Russell as a comparison against Jordan, you should include Otto Graham in the conversation.

  • James W
    James W 23 days ago

    Brady never won without Bill....Brady has that just like Gretzky and Jordan

  • sureiguess1
    sureiguess1 25 days ago

    Brady prlly watches this and smirks to himself

  • Nicholas Mnich
    Nicholas Mnich 25 days ago

    Brady has played in the weakest division in the last 10 years. None of those teams can touch Brady in his last 3 super bowls.

  • Andrew Pereira
    Andrew Pereira 26 days ago +1

    ORR was way better then Wayne G~ he could play defense and offense.

  • Erik Gonzalez
    Erik Gonzalez 26 days ago

    Let's be REAL!!!!! Tom Brady is the GREATEST OF ALL TIME!!!!! PERIOD!!!!! I'm a Browns fan but I give RESPECT where it's due!!!!!! He is the 🐐 #TomBradyTheGOAT

  • C Rowley
    C Rowley 26 days ago +1

    This is the dumbest thing ever. No one ever said “X player is better than Jordan” during his career. Media and fans and said Peyton, Rodgers, Brees are possibly better. Brady as an athlete isn’t doing anything we haven’t seen before. Jordan revolutionized basketball as we know it. Shut the F up clown

  • Xander Sanders
    Xander Sanders 26 days ago +2

    The most PPG Tom Brady's defense has ever allowed in a season is 21.6
    Marino's defenses allowed more than that 5 times
    Rodgers' defenses allowed more than that 6 times
    Peyton's defense allowed more than that 7 times
    Brees' defenses allowed more than that 9 times
    Quit trying to craft a “Brady didn’t have much help” argument. Not to mention arguably the most talented WR and TE of all time

    • Pedro Martinez
      Pedro Martinez 7 days ago

      @Michael Robert Update: The difference between #10 and #17 is now less than 3 ppg.

    • Pedro Martinez
      Pedro Martinez 17 days ago

      @Michael Robert Four games is hardly an adequate sample size. Show me a 16 game season and the numbers are usually quite close. Plus you need to examine quality of opponents, offenses played, turnovers created, the timing of scores, and whether a defense improves during the season and how it plays in the postseason.
      e.g. the 2011 Packers defense was ranked 19th in points allowed. You might assume that was a bad defense. However, they led the NFL in turnovers created as well as leading the NFC in field position given to their offense. They also gave up 41 points in the last game of the season when they rested many of their starters; which skewed their ppg allowed.
      So if you omit the final game / outlier, the 2011 Packers D gave up 20.26 points per game. The two teams in the Super Bowl that year gave up 21.4 (New England) and 25.0 (New York Giants) points per game.
      The defense excuse is a red herring in my opinion; especially when phrased in terms of "Top 10." It is misleading and deceptive.

    • Michael Robert
      Michael Robert 17 days ago

      @Pedro Martinez this season the #10 defense (Houston) has allowed 19.5 PPG while the number 17 defense (Denver) is averaging 23.4 PPG. That's an entire nother possession that the qb needs to take the lead

    • Pedro Martinez
      Pedro Martinez 17 days ago

      @Michael Robert Top 10 doesn't mean anything without context.
      Is the #10 defense in points scored that much better than the #17 defense?
      It is less than a point per game in many seasons. If that is your excuse why your QB isn't winning then that is just sour grapes.

  • mixsignal91
    mixsignal91 26 days ago

    Why is it some media people have to try and compare goats from seperate sports? It's a completely different situation. Argue goats within the sport.

  • Edgar Vargas Villarreal

    Brady never had a 3-peat. Enough said. MJ is the GOAT

  • tony sobon
    tony sobon 27 days ago

    I do forget about Pippen in that he has a strong case for top 50 players of all-time and maybe at like 30 not 49-50 again maybe. The Jazz in the 90's are the only other team that maybe has 2 players over the top 50 of All-Time. There were duos like Payton and Kemp that are HoF players but both in top 50 no way. then you look at the duo of Pippen and Jordan and they were both elite if not top 10 defenders during there era and worked off each other prefect where there small weak spot in there game the other was able to cover the slight weakness in each others games. I mean take just those 2 and build a team around them and they could plays and win any era and i don't want hear about the 3 ball. Saying MJ wouldn't be at least a +30% 3 shooter and take 5-6 a game and i think Pippen would have been able to about the same.

  • Jude Jack
    Jude Jack 27 days ago +1

    If you swap Peyton Manning and Tom Brady Who would have more rings

  • Maphack
    Maphack 27 days ago

    imo, federer is the goat athlete

  • Cloud GAMING
    Cloud GAMING 27 days ago

    Half of Brady's career is not even close to Peyton Manning..

    • Cloud GAMING
      Cloud GAMING 17 days ago

      @Pedro Martinez half of Brady's playoff stats would be similar to Mannings.. Actually less playoff wins just 1 more SB win.. Then Manning would have 5MVP, way more allpro, yards, wins, comebacks, tds, division titles, etc.. Half of Brady is not close to Peyton's career.. I will admit he is the greatest of all time but he has not had double the career of Manning, Elway, or Montana

    • Pedro Martinez
      Pedro Martinez 17 days ago

      Brady's playoff stats dwarf Manning's.

  • Rickard Kosuta
    Rickard Kosuta 27 days ago

    Tbh he had Gronkowski who when healthy was a beast

  • Robert Rizzo
    Robert Rizzo 27 days ago

    brady is the best u cant even argue

  • Konsu
    Konsu 27 days ago

    LIONEL MESSI IS THE BEST

  • matuopm
    matuopm 27 days ago

    i think colin is right about jordan in this case but gretzkys records are absolutely unreal

  • Bob Billings
    Bob Billings 27 days ago

    Colin, Im going to send you a comfy set of cushioned knee pads, since you were on yours just now so long, and a towel to wipe your face, and some mouth wash to gargle....

  • jacob strong
    jacob strong 27 days ago

    Brady is the Pippin to Belechek lul

  • Quintessence Productions, LLC

    A great analysis backed by FACTS! Agree that Kitchens is trying to everything to everybody. He is going to kearn real fast: NFL: Not For Long. He will be fired by Haslam and won't know what hit him...The Brady analysis: I have said this for as long as I can remember: you will NEVER ever ever ever get a number 199 sixth round STEAL like Belichick did with Tom Brady. Watch that video of that draft day. Belichick kept asking the GM and scouts/assistants, "No one's picked up that skinny kid from Michigan? He's still on the Boards?". Belichick had to justify carrying A FOURTH QB and put Brady on the Taxi squad. But look at that stretch decision now. He who laughs last laughs best, and Belichick already got his last laugh. Belichick is now torturing the NFL.

  • Redrider
    Redrider 28 days ago

    Vinatieri got him two, Malcom butler won him one, so Brady has won 3 super bowls. But what do I know lol

  • Steinzeitmonteur
    Steinzeitmonteur 28 days ago

    He is a top QB... But Athlete? Nah...

  • Aadil Khan
    Aadil Khan 28 days ago

    Brady plays one side of the field Jordan was the best at both sides of the game on his team every time

  • Jim Watson
    Jim Watson 28 days ago

    Hey, Huge Brady fan here but not close to being the Greatest Athlete of all time. I mean at my 57 years I have a better 40 time than Brady now. Ton's of Absolute Respect for Brady but the Best Pure Athlete in my life was Bo Jackson!

  • John Dailey
    John Dailey 28 days ago +3

    Brady doesn't have to play defense like MJ and Gretzky

    • Bobby Currie
      Bobby Currie 20 days ago

      I didn't realize Gretzsky ever played defense. Lol

  • Al's World
    Al's World 28 days ago

    Uhhhhhhhh Brady has BILL BELICHEK

  • michael Castle
    michael Castle 28 days ago

    Brady knows what's it's like to be an Underdog........

  • ryan cano-williams
    ryan cano-williams 28 days ago +1

    Brady has always had a great defense and Belicheck Colin relax

  • Sclass Entertainment
    Sclass Entertainment 28 days ago

    He has not lapped Jordan .... Let's not get ahead of ourselves

  • darthsadic
    darthsadic 28 days ago

    What a retarted video, I feel dumber by listening to this.

  • Ryan Krueger
    Ryan Krueger 28 days ago

    please stop talking about the browns

  • dave m
    dave m 28 days ago

    Joe has 3 MVPS. NOT 4

  • J Cowan
    J Cowan 28 days ago

    Mario Lemieux

  • J Cowan
    J Cowan 28 days ago

    Mario Lemieux

  • Jamal Hunt
    Jamal Hunt 28 days ago

    The most laughable thing is Colin actually comparing these guys. And it's funny that he doesn't wanna include Belichick in Tom's run

  • DoC Sumann
    DoC Sumann 28 days ago

    MJ was play off's MVP, and final serie's MVP in every six championship Bulls had won.

  • Hunter Branstner
    Hunter Branstner 28 days ago

    Messi, ronaldo?

  • jjmah7
    jjmah7 28 days ago

    I thought Michael Jordan won his first championship without Pippen...

  • Shawn Six Owe Crip
    Shawn Six Owe Crip 28 days ago

    Never heard him lie🤭🤭🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤑🤮🤮

  • John Duval
    John Duval 28 days ago +3

    Excuse me but Bobby Orr was the greatest player in hockey. Gretzky? Nah. Mr. Bobby Orr was the best eva !!! ☮️

  • lukaszepesi
    lukaszepesi 29 days ago

    Basketball is also set up way more favorably for dynasties and long periods of dominance. There's always 1-2 dominant teams that define an era and a lot of the teams are just extras with no real shot. In football everything is set up to benefit the weaker teams and very few teams can even win 2 superbowls in ten years. So what the patriots have been doing always impressed me way more than any basketball team.

  • Ocean Man
    Ocean Man 29 days ago

    So we just not gonna mention Lionel Messi

  • Kevin Parker
    Kevin Parker 29 days ago

    I hate how these sports shows just totally discredit baseball players as team players.
    Nolan Ryan PLAYED for 27 years
    Yogi Berra has 13 rings through 30 years
    And Cal Ripken played in 2,632 straight games
    All of these are records that will probably never be broken and yet their not Team Athletes

  • Rob Xx
    Rob Xx 29 days ago +1

    Have a strong dislike for Brady but the man is the greatest of all time. I hate the argument that you put any QB in his position with Belichick and anyone would win. Complete BS. Brady is the greates of all time. I have tried to make the same argument as Cowherd and people laugh.

  • Grant Jensen
    Grant Jensen 29 days ago +1

    Except he has Belichick and the Patriots organization.

  • p d
    p d 29 days ago

    He's going to win again this year. He's already dominating 3-0 w/l. 7-0 td/inc

  • simon smith
    simon smith 29 days ago

    Nah.... TB ain't even Bostons greatest team player...its Bill Russell...there was a world before ESPN and the internet ya know ...LOL