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  • Vicente Navarro
    Vicente Navarro 2 days ago

    Is he intentionally dressed as The Scarlet Spider, or is the blue jacket a coincidence

  • Jacob Kleinsasser
    Jacob Kleinsasser 8 days ago

    They have total blind faith in their way of life, what other society is like that.
    North Korea
    Apple Stores
    Disney.

  • Rohit Diesh
    Rohit Diesh 15 days ago

    Patrick Stewart looks like Gandhi with that tan

  • L Smith
    L Smith 16 days ago

    LOT of butthurt Trekkies in the comments taking the video way too seriously

  • SGT SpiderMonkey
    SGT SpiderMonkey 26 days ago

    So what your saying is that when a government takes care of your needs then the economy stagnates and people lose motivation to work and innovate? It sounds like the beginning of Socialism/Communism... Still want to preach that Liberalist snowflake crap? All you “Bernie Bois” don’t even have a BASIC grasp on economics do you?

  • Phillip J
    Phillip J 29 days ago

    they did have war, it sucked and we lost data. Federation and its various related organizations formed after the war. Deystopia and Utopia both create stagnation in a society which may cause a valley of steady state society. No progress because with out adversity there seems to be no point. It's why the Klingons, scowlistic armor fiends, and any other aggressive highly technological society exist to create conflict in these stories and thus a need for progress. Don't believe the hype kids, intergalactic conflict is still possible. Resources being abundant in the universe there is no need to fight over them once you have that range but sentience does produce enough quirks to be surprising.
    My bet is on any alien species we may meet in the future who wants to pick a fight with us will be evangelical about something or other which will cause them to seek conflict. See Alastiar Reynolds "Revelation Space" (the book and the series), Peter F Hamilton's "Salvation", The "Halo" Game series by Bungie and maybe even The day the earth stood still (any version you like although the short story is pretty intriguing) as a few plausible examples. The problem being you can't even call it insanity or madness because there Alien. They can and probably will think differently then the human race. Salvation puts a nice little Shyamalanian twist on Fermi's paradox and so does revelation space so there good reads. theirs also a video by A info graphic channel which confirms someone else besides the scifi writers and me are thinking "Where are all the aliens?"

  • Sapphirewingthefurrycritic

    Film theory did this Star trek is fascist theory better.

  • tasty britches
    tasty britches Month ago

    Futurama has the same problem. Why does bender listen to music kids now don't know about?

  • Varis 08
    Varis 08 Month ago

    Get fucked.

  • Sean Nixon
    Sean Nixon 2 months ago

    When you take want greed and money out of the equation you will have a great society.

  • skyduy9
    skyduy9 2 months ago

    ahh in TG there's a video game.

  • Nameless 31
    Nameless 31 2 months ago

    the pj's are one the federation uniforms civilians were different clothes you only see the point of view from the military you never see the people very long in the federation. plus amongst the people they trade things for a galactic currency called latnuim on earth people make entertainment, run restaurants , shops, pursue the arts and sciences

  • Novastorm2199
    Novastorm2199 2 months ago

    Why Star Wars music in a Star Trek video?

  • Kim
    Kim 2 months ago

    *LIVE SHORT AND BE IMPOVERISHED, BITCH*

  • irllcd13
    irllcd13 3 months ago

    DS9 > TNG > TOS

  • Guy Core
    Guy Core 3 months ago

    These idiots are arguing that every person in the UFP all wear the same clothes. They obviously haven't watched the show and are arguing in a vacuum. Members of Starfleet all wear similar uniforms. UFP civilians wear whatever they want.

  • Gilbert Henri
    Gilbert Henri 3 months ago

    star wars theme on star trek subject? Please....

  • Matthew Goodfriend
    Matthew Goodfriend 3 months ago

    Secretly horrifying? Every episode It's a wonder how anyone survives. lol

  • Timothy Fuller
    Timothy Fuller 3 months ago

    The only problem with their argument is that their frame of reference is from Star Fleet. Not from the Federation as a whole.

  • LordZontar
    LordZontar 3 months ago

    To be fair, TOS wasn't about the Federation. We saw very little of Federation society because the whole thing was about the missions of the Enterprise - and when Earth was mentioned, nobody said it was a perfect paradise. There had been some improvement in human society, but it and people were still a work in progress. It's TNG that started the utopian Earth bullshit, the Space Viking Klingons, and all the rest of the nonsense. However, the argument that the Star Trek universe is secretly horrifying doesn't really gel in this video. Even if we grant the cultural stagnation point, that in and of itself isn't horrifying. Pathetic, maybe, but not horrifying. Q is not a god, Starfleet admirals are not all evil, incompetent, or alien possessed, and the Federation wasn't an all-conquering empire in the series. "Horrifying" would be the Federation secretly committing genocide or imposing order through mind-control upon its citizens.

  • mervviscious
    mervviscious 3 months ago

    I want the original writers and video talking heads back....

  • Sam's luvin
    Sam's luvin 3 months ago

    what's up with the green line on the right and white line at the bottom? can't you just cut those errors out of the video?

  • Ron Puni
    Ron Puni 3 months ago

    Was this a green screen? Instead of actually being in the diner?

  • TlalocW
    TlalocW 3 months ago

    "Apple stores." Never has there been a better answer to that kind of question.

  • Ed Eranged
    Ed Eranged 3 months ago

    Even if his points were valid, the 'winning' point was, ''It's not real and the writer is culty''..
    That's not a victory.. Take the argument outside the Universe in question and you can challenge any movie/game/book born notion. It's the sign of defeat if you have to use the 'It's not real' card.
    Michael wins.

  • Black Swan
    Black Swan 3 months ago

    I realize this is six years old, but I'm shook. ONLY STAR FLEET DRESSES AND ACTS LIKE THAT. THEY'RE THE GOD DAMNED MILITARY.

  • Bernard Putersznit
    Bernard Putersznit 3 months ago

    nope

  • Patrick Maloney
    Patrick Maloney 3 months ago

    I think Barclay was banging Troi on the holodeck.

  • Frank Chinembiri
    Frank Chinembiri 3 months ago

    The federation is basically space Nazis.......

  • Harbingerof Reason
    Harbingerof Reason 3 months ago

    One word destroys this: The Borg, okay that was two words.

  • Leaf Winterborn
    Leaf Winterborn 3 months ago

    Really poorly researched, shame you've done some good clips but this is just waffle

  • John Klaus
    John Klaus 3 months ago

    Ok, so there were actual performances of new music and art by federation people on the show. A whole episode was at just such a symposium.
    Also, they sent one ship out of a whole fleet. Most of the federation ships they found on their journeys were either research vessels researching things already found, trade vessels or warships.
    I also take issue with the theory, presented here, that societies out researching the unknown are somehow bored.
    There are also frequent references on the show to how basic the replicator foods were. There were also multiple situations where people still cooked on the show. Riker for Diana as just one example.
    So far this group doesn’t seem to have watched the show.

  • P A
    P A 3 months ago +1

    I suppose this was meant to be clever

  • Jack Faire
    Jack Faire 3 months ago

    You mean Uniformss? Starfleet has uniforms. In their off hours they all dress more unique
    The United Federation of Planets does not have uniforms.

  • gammaraider
    gammaraider 3 months ago

    "None of this Bakula crap" LOL :D

  • Humble Evidence Accepter

    "Hello. My name is HEA and I am a Trekkie." (Support group responds: "Hello HEA")

  • WingIT Productions
    WingIT Productions 4 months ago

    LOL, Live Short and be Impoverished.

  • Sebastian
    Sebastian 4 months ago

    Either this is not meant to be serious at all or these critics of Star Trek know very little about Star Trek and its defenders here do a piss poor job arguing. If they want to argue about lack of creativity about or interest in imagining and showing a future society concerned with totally different problems, wishes and so on as we do have today, then criticise the show but don't call the universe dystopian for not being all that different to what we know today apart from more generally applied ethics and better technology.
    Plus after all the show was not a "this is what could happen if you go 300 years into the future" but "this is human society as its creator and fans would like to see it evolve from today's needs and interests point of view + some visuals and plots for entertainment"

  • David Matteson
    David Matteson 4 months ago

    I like Candice's bun

  • Gandoff2000
    Gandoff2000 4 months ago

    "Star trek isn't real life . . . " Duh! I do not watch TV for real life. I can watch real life for real life.

  • immasmashyourface
    immasmashyourface 4 months ago

    BAD FRIEND!! BAD!!!!!

  • Michael Monzon
    Michael Monzon 4 months ago

    The guy defending Star Trek did a terrible job, there a ton of things he could've say to win the argument.

  • upilaronn
    upilaronn 4 months ago

    Welldone guys...

  • Leo Yohansen
    Leo Yohansen 4 months ago

    The Star Trek future is one in which people still apparently need to get jobs so it's obvious that everyone's needs aren't being automatically met. Crime and dishonesty still flourish revealing that people aren't anymore socially healthy then than now, especially if society is supposed to be so balanced and prosperous. On the United Earth, the occupation of Indigenous people's lands has never ceased and a global society of supposedly enlightened people still walk around covering their bodies unable to handle the social maturity and freedom of being a nudist society. Then, with all of the technology and discovery to have been achieved by the 24th century, there's still religion. Not just on earth but apparently throughout the galaxy of warp drive capable societies in which interspecies bigotry still holds a major place in addition to specifically human fears of superior beings of either android or genetic modification.

  • nnnnnnnnnnn
    nnnnnnnnnnn 4 months ago

    A bunch of idiots brought up in a society run by Ego.
    What really drives a human with a soul is Love.
    There is so much unknown in the world - on the outside and from within! No lifetime is long enough to learn and develop.
    And these pathetic creatures are bored.
    I pity these people who have no idea what life and love is.

  • Doesn't Hurt Yet
    Doesn't Hurt Yet 4 months ago

    Remember when cracked was good

  • enigmayshi
    enigmayshi 4 months ago

    Like many things, they didn't actually have a competent person defending. While Gene Roddenberry's Trek wasn't perfect they are selling it extremely short.

  • Christian Church
    Christian Church 4 months ago

    i see that scarlet spider there...

  • Robert Harris
    Robert Harris 4 months ago

    Does everyone just forget deep space 9 and voyager exist?

  • Robert Harris
    Robert Harris 4 months ago

    When you think the only motivation is money so that you can have material things you want thats pretty sad.

  • Brian Downes
    Brian Downes 4 months ago

    They're right. And they leave out the fact that the Star Trek universe is a perpetual, multi-sided cold war that threatens to erupt into genocidal conflict that would kill billions.
    Also, all power in the Federation is concentrated in the hands of Starfleet. How often do you hear about the Federation having elections? Do the starships get orders from the Prime Minister? No, they get orders Admirals, from military officers. The Federation is a militaristic bureaucracy.

  • Jason Zulkarnain
    Jason Zulkarnain 4 months ago

    "People wear same clothes".
    Errr, those are Starfleet uniforms...
    Star Trek got the idea from ancient history when many civilisation ventured beyond the open seas.
    Romans went up to Britain Isle, & many evidences showed they reached Mongol.
    European went out to open sea with prime directive: Gold, Gospel & Glory. Now, European languages are the most used ever anywhere around the world.
    If the Europeans didn't do this, there won't be United States!
    Star Trek theme is almost the same as many civilisations did after medieval age throughout the history, only in space!

  • Joe B
    Joe B 4 months ago

    Star Trek was about exploring new places and not being obseesed about football and bullshit ... why does this vid referance star wars and star trek as the same? the two are different, star wars is now political bull shit and star trek literally explored everything and expanded your mind of how to think.

  • Sunny Choudhary
    Sunny Choudhary 4 months ago

    Japan

  • majeric
    majeric 4 months ago

    A prime example of an argument that's convincing but not right. The argument conveniently leaves out all of the evidence to the contrary.

  • Hisako Reichmann
    Hisako Reichmann 4 months ago

    Give me a break. You guys are just shitting on the lazy writing of Star Trek. Of course they aren't going to write songs and plays and naturally go to things that the audience is familiar with.

  • Chuck Sellers
    Chuck Sellers 4 months ago

    they look so young in this episode. they look 20 years older now.

  • first last
    first last 4 months ago

    All this is bullshit. Of course you can't expect the show to predict/invent a whole pop culture of hundreds of years in the future, much less many, same with fashion. Do you want startrek writers to spend their time making up whole movies?
    The second thing mentioned was one stupid arc that was long building but stupid where body snatchers were taking over starfleet, which was on the body snatchers of course and not a comment on the society that existed before or after.
    The "women and children" bit was sexist because of the woman part. Families went with crew because people want to be with their families and the ship can't be asked to make constant detours to various home worlds for visits, children want to be with their parents all the time. Other passengers were probably there willingly too, a great adventure in safety, well they don't really get into why most others are there or who.
    Prime directive was always the stupidest part of the show and does seem to exist to be broken. Sure they shouldn't mettle in other societies but they should stop their planets from breaking up, even if a little girl isn't communicating with Data and asking for help. And when does starfleet push their ideals around on anyone outside of starfleet?
    Q isn't a god, just has god like powers. And the point is valid that despite Q seeming to want to judge them badly, their actions rightly force Q to acknowledge how good starfleet is now. But instead this is twisted to the opposite, that they do whatever they want and Q puts his stamp of approval on it, way to totally be dishonest there. I dislike the Q episodes anyway, along with the holodeck ones, lazy writing to put the characters in contrived nonfuturistic situations.
    This cracked didn't try at all. I didn't buy fake dunces acting either, supposedly big Startrek fan but making such stupid points and conceding to stupid points so easily.

  • Stefanie Prejean
    Stefanie Prejean 4 months ago

    Actually in Star Trek III The Search for Spock they did dress differently. I especially noticed Kirk's and Sarek's outfits.

  • Gyorke Dani
    Gyorke Dani 4 months ago

    And this is why DS9 is genius it basicaly explains and solves all of these

  • Greg Benwell
    Greg Benwell 4 months ago

    Sorry but I find Firefly AND The Expanse way more plausible, then Star Trek!! After all look around you at the world as it is today!! NOT EVERYBODY has the availability to a brand new car!! NOR DOES everybody get the recognition or the JOB they want to do, or even the pay they deserve!! IN some cases you have folks that ARE living in poverty will still holding down THREE JOBS and with that said the "rich get richer", while there are people working their butts off that just NEVER get a vacation or a promotion or even remotely "ahead" in their jobs or social standing!! Heck many of those in what used to be "the middle class" now can NOT find a decent job to even earn a modest living let alone an honest one!! And the last full time job I had I was still so broke I was "shopping" at the local food pantry just to feed myself because I was paid too much to qualify for food stamps but NOT ENOUGH to pay rent AND buy food at the same time!!! And I am CERTAIN that in the Star Trek "universe" not everybody had or has complete access to the replicators they always claimed were so "great"!! In fact there are people NOW in 2018 that do not have clean drinking water, NEVER SEEN a computer, and in some cases DO NOT OWN SHOES and this is the 21st century people!! And in some parts of the world UNLIKE Star Trek, there are still war, famine and diseases that are wiping out people that you just DO NOT hear about or see!! And these same people like myself may be standing beside you at Walmart right now, that you think are "doing well" that are spending their rent money just to cloth and feed themselves, even though they look as though they are in "good health" and in "good spirits" their story of their home life may be totally blind to you!!! And again it might SEEM LIKE these people (like my recent purchase) are doing "GREAT"! After all I was at Home Depot buying a weed eater for $74 dollars just to trim my yard BEFORE I risked getting wrote up by my HOA, but had to spend my rent money to buy the stupid thing, so I walk a line between getting wrote up by the same people I owe money too for unpaid rent!!! It isn't like I am trying to get kicked out of my HOA, but it isn't like I own a money tree either that I can happily pluck $100 bills off in my world either!! But yet to listen to my landlord he seems to think I have money falling out of my back side like a lot of other people in today's world!!! And I own a truck I drive and KEEP RUNNING, that only cost me $500 to buy and every couple of months I have to replace $100 worth of parts on!! It is after all cheaper to DO THAT then make a $600 a month car payment to the bank for a car that WILL NOT LAST the full term of the loan anyhow!!! Because everything today is built (even cars) to be disposable and such is my point that my "disposable income" is NOT "disposable" TO ME!! I have to watch every cent like a hawk and I am 54 years old and have survived for years of low pay temporary jobs that gave me NOTHING, no vacation time, NO PAY, not even a retirement package and NOBODY gave a crap about it BUT ME!!!! So I have had to learn how to do things without money and without a lot of help!! And I have worked all my life with still NOTHING TO SHOW FOR ANY OF IT!!! And I know I am NOT the only person that has had this happen to me!!! There are literally millions of us who in the early 1980s sought work and ONLY FOUND temp jobs at fly by night companies that never made a dine from dead end jobs that not even the government ever really "helped" or cared about!! I got one friend that was a temp for 18 years at IBM and when they were done with him they cast him aside like an old boot!! And THIS IS how the American business world has damaged the spirit of their own workers and consumers!! Sure IBM made millions but never spread the wealth with those employees that PUT THEM WHERE THEY ARE TODAY!!!!

  • Sherri H
    Sherri H 4 months ago

    2:45 the enterprise isn't a "heavily loaded warship". It's an exploration vessel with minimal weapons.

  • Victor Eijkhout
    Victor Eijkhout 4 months ago

    North Korea! Apple Stores! Hah!

  • pkmcburroughs
    pkmcburroughs 4 months ago

    In all fairness, the holodeck situations--sea tales, detective mysteries, etc--are there to appeal to the audience. If the show's holodeck presented "contemporary" music, art, and situations, the viewing audience would have zero connection to any of it.

  • JellyJelly
    JellyJelly 4 months ago

    meh, they tried hard to make Star Trek look lame and evil
    still think its utopia
    also, the reason why they only do 19ths century stuff in the holodeck is because it makes for good episodes where the audience can relate to. Victorian england is simple enough to understand.

  • Phil Battiste
    Phil Battiste 4 months ago

    Also, the argument of "God says it's okay" doesn't totally apply here, as Q isn't the most morally upstanding character.

  • Paweł Sitnicki
    Paweł Sitnicki 4 months ago

    It's not fair since the guy defending Star Trek is clearly an idiot...

  • Andrew Zink
    Andrew Zink 4 months ago

    So.... lots of love of DS9 being "the show that dealt with real issues".
    Right. For the first couple of seasons, and ratings were horrible.
    So guess what they did? They largely ditched the depressing social angst stuff and went back to classic Trek adventure. They brought Worf and the whole Klingon conflict into the main arc, followed shortly by the Dominion war. The show was finally entertaining once they ditched 95% of the moral-outrage tar pit stories.

  • Abraham Redhead
    Abraham Redhead 4 months ago

    Six years ago version of you guys need to chill.

  • Miguel Moreta
    Miguel Moreta 4 months ago

    I understand that whoever wrote this decided to paint with very broad strokes for comedic purposes. However, even with that in mind, I was still surprised by how much they got wrong about Star Trek.

  • Steven Kramer
    Steven Kramer 4 months ago

    2:28 I don't know...I go out on my bike and explore neighborhoods and forests just to see what's there. Isn't "boldly going" to find new cultures just an extension of this? Curiosity
    is an basic element of humanity, so is the desire to explore.

  • Proper Heresy
    Proper Heresy 4 months ago

    Deep space nine destroys the entire argument

  • Therizino Saurus
    Therizino Saurus 4 months ago

    its funny they show the corrupted admiralty, or the ones that say don't trust any are from the same episode

  • Emily Schueller
    Emily Schueller 4 months ago

    These guys are so gross. They can't think of anything better to do with a holodeck than porn?

  • bmac4011
    bmac4011 4 months ago

    What they don't mention? The society of star trek is actually Socialist.

  • Kevin smith
    Kevin smith 4 months ago

    kinda sounds like America... 6:15

  • jim cherkas
    jim cherkas 4 months ago

    Scientology is just down the street from that cafe

  • moeskido
    moeskido 4 months ago

    Yes, Roddenberry also created TNG. Then it was taken away from him when Paramount management realized that he not only couldn't run movies any more (which is why they gave control of the movies to Harve Bennett), he couldn't run a tv series either. Which is why they gave control of the tv side to Rick Berman.

  • megadeth22885
    megadeth22885 5 months ago

    roddenberry tried to portray communism and communists in the way they view themselves and their ideology.. even going so far as to create the ferengi, star treks first intended main bad guy as greedy capitalists.. in reality though, communists come off as sane individuals as being closer to the borg, than the federation

  • Jim
    Jim 5 months ago +1

    Guys, at least give both sides equal footing when you have a debate.
    1. They speak of new art, novels and literature all the time. They meet a new scientific discovery every episode. They are not bored.
    2. They are not rich, they don't pursue currency and mock the Ferengi for focusing on it.
    3. The "counterarguments" are just really bad quotes and references that make the show look like a joke, and it often is. The first season is filled with militarism, and you should focus on that, but it dissipates as they create universal peace with all by directly meeting with them. Something we could learn from?
    4. There is no "goal" for citizens because that is how life works. It's ok not to be driven by some constant war far, far away. They have many directives to pursue if citizens use their free will to do so.
    5. The characters are not a cult, they do not have religion even though they meet god-like beings every other day, oddly enough.
    If you are going to criticize the show, do it for good reasons like the "prime directive" which should have ended the series before it began. Instead they break that every other episode without much thought, which is preferable to dooming so many of course.

  • CoreyStudios2000
    CoreyStudios2000 5 months ago +1

    Star Trek= Cold War USSR mixed with Scientology

  • Megan Royston
    Megan Royston 5 months ago

    You never said what was actually wrong with it though, just that they're bored. Like, that's not evil, that's exactly what you'd expect from such a powerful society. It's still a utopia, can someone please prove me wrong?

  • One Eyed King
    One Eyed King 5 months ago

    Dan accidentally destroyed socialism "when you have everything, so long motivation"

  • Abomb 604
    Abomb 604 5 months ago

    That normal shit is going on in the background, they just don't show it often.

  • Neil Hale
    Neil Hale 5 months ago

    Star Trek pre-Abrahms is The United States now. They get into wars outside their borders to distract the populace from how bad it is at home.

  • Media Monarchy
    Media Monarchy 5 months ago

    So many maga hats 🧢

  • Kelly Karjola
    Kelly Karjola 5 months ago

    There were porn Holosuit progrsms on Deep Space Nine

  • Manek Iridius
    Manek Iridius 5 months ago

    So, basically, Gene Roddenberry is an idiot and the best thing to come from his ideas is a franchise other people have handled better? That doesn't sound right.

  • my_shoes_are_ purple
    my_shoes_are_ purple 6 months ago

    Star trek skipped Michael Jackson, I wouldn't survive in that universe.

  • Brent catherman
    Brent catherman 6 months ago

    A whole lot of assumptions with little evidence. I've often wondered what life is like for everybody who isn't in Starfleet, but just because all needs are met doesn't mean life is miserable. Perhaps people can focus on arts, entertainment, and hobbies.

  • King Leong
    King Leong 6 months ago

    Basically, Star Trek follows "Maslow's hierarchy of needs". Once physiological and safety needs are met, and an inclusive & open minded society deals with the social needs, the people can focus on gaining esteem and self improvement.

  • Simon Watts
    Simon Watts 6 months ago +1

    I've always seen Troi as the Political Officer myself - ensuring no one thinks the wrong things. Add to that all the Federation people with power and influence are military officers... Can't be unseen.

  • Gedalyah Reback
    Gedalyah Reback 6 months ago

    Gosh I hate Cracked.

  • Gene Quist
    Gene Quist 6 months ago +1

    But isn’t the motivation to venture out into the unknown the best motivation the human race can really hope for? The ability to do that very thing is already the purpose behind some of our most impressive achievements as a species. Even the achievements that weren’t originally intended for intergalactic travel and knowledge are potentially important to that goal. Our natural progression (or at least, our optimistic one), seems to be that we can sustain our planet and our people long enough just to get there. Of course there will always be ethics involved. And yes, perhaps at this particular point in our development, that needs to be given as much attention as the advancement of technology. But the thing about ethics is that they have to remain flexible upon discovery of new knowledge. Therefore it stands to reason that even in an optimistic version of the future, ethics very well may be playing a game of catch up with our technological advancement and our understanding of the universe. So Star Trek may in some way tell a very realistic sort of truth in terms of even our best case scenario.

  • Somewon Yuno
    Somewon Yuno 6 months ago +1

    I really miss these after hours skits.

  • joseph liston
    joseph liston 6 months ago

    Finally I've found someone who sees New Trek as I see it! Favorite dufuss moment when Picard's morality (with some assistance from the incredibly boring Whoopi Goldburg) won't let him destroy the borg. . .

  • Duke Makedo
    Duke Makedo 6 months ago

    Yawn.

  • Herbert Erdferkel
    Herbert Erdferkel 6 months ago

    typical dimwitted US americans, getting the details intentionally wrong to have a point for rejecting anything better then they have right now:
    Mainly they argued that there is no more motivation and strife leading to stagnation and a lack of achievment, while clearly the shows established a ton of new and ongoing achievments, motivation and strife ... development, discovery, professional careers + power, protection/care for others and art is build up as a huge competition between people on earth and in space ... just the petty struggle and violence around money and ressources are a thing of the past within the federation!
    The way these fools argue reminds me of the US reaction to anything social or equality related in politics .... rejection without understanding on basis of ridiculous hypothetical scenarios ... everything to keep the status quo alive, with the hilarious twist that the status quo is utterly f up compared to those who made more steps towards what they reject.

    • Batman Laughed
      Batman Laughed 6 months ago

      Interesting, what infallible society is it that you live in again?

  • KHGamer
    KHGamer 6 months ago

    This is exactly why as much as i love Gene Roddenberry for creating star trek, and TNG for picard's speeches, his 'vision' of paradise and humans are free of money, wealth and power is where things fall flat on his face. It's totally unbelievable that starfleet does everything by the book, 100% moral and not get into a development rut in their society. they was stagnant til DS9's dominion war, then starfleet had to take things seriously and develop new tech to defend and fight. WW1 and 2 are perfect, all bet bittersweet examples of this. Development of new tech and skills were made during these conflicts. The borg attack (Wolf 359) did that, but as sisko says in the defiant introduction episode, the 'borg threat' become less and less important. In other words, starfleet wasnt shaken enough to wake up. And for section 31, love them or hate them, S31 is necessary for a government of that size, just look at real world counterparts, MI5, CIA, NSA, etc. TOS and TNG, was too perfect, like a dainty dream filled with unicorns and fairies, DS9, Voyager and other stories after the Dominion war are the perfect example of the future of real life, if there is alien life out there of course.

  • David J Freeman
    David J Freeman 6 months ago

    judging by Discovery they never invented new swear words